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No reads, 2nd orbit and villain just sat down a few hands ago . . .

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

This is my first SS post, moving up from micros. This is also the first full ring session i've played at Stars. Did i miss a river bet? Is the aggro turned up a bit too high? Am i wasting your time? flame away . . .

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Bet river.

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Bet river.

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You really think 88/AQ pay off?

Rob

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Bet river.

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You really think 88/AQ pay off?

Rob

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My default at 2/4 Party is that, yes, they do, and worse hands too. Stars might be tighter, I don't know for sure.

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Bet river.

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You really think 88/AQ pay off?
Rob

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My default at 2/4 Party is that, yes, they do, and worse hands too. Stars might be tighter, I don't know for sure.

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I disagree here... Default at Party against a player with reads maybe - but not against an unkown.

I don't think that an unkown CO pays off a worse hand here often enough to bet the river. Furthermore, he's unkown and checking gives Hero the opportunity to review the hand in the history which gives Hero a good start on some information against villian.

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I think this is fine. some marginal hands I lump into "value bet without a read" but I agree with entity that this one is probably "value bet with a read" territory.

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I think you played it well. The CO opened the door for your 3 bet preflop and you obliged. I don't even think the river check down is all that passive although I'm sure some will disagree. He may have been raising 88 but there are a lot of hands that he could have like 10,10 up that have you beat and he's gone calling station because he's afraid of AK.

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What pushes the river action into bet territory is the preflop action. Looking back, CO raised preflop, making it much more likely he is calling here with some type of ace.

So bet the river. If raised, you have an easy fold, but that's not likely anyway.

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Preflop raise is beautiful: isolate against a likely blind-thief with medium pocket pair, better position, and dead money from the blinds. Bravo.

Flop is standard: you've got to push your pair and hopefully push him off his draw.

Turn card is blank, and you bet it. CO has given you no reason to play it differently.

River card is not blank. Given how passive CO has been, I think I probably bet this one, but calling is probably better. If CO had been calling a weak K, you're dead. If CO had been calling a 7, he's setting up a check-raise on the river. If CO had been calling a 3 or overcards, he could easily fold (depending on the read that we don't have). Absent any read, I think checking through makes sense. If we knew he was a standard passive fish or calling station, betting would be in order.

Well played, and welcome to small stakes.

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ICK!

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What pushes the river action into bet territory is the preflop action. Looking back, CO raised preflop, making it much more likely he is calling here with some type of ace.

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What Ace is an unkown CO check/calling UI on the river?

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So bet the river. If raised, you have an easy fold, but that's not likely anyway.

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If there's a fold on the river to a checkraise it's FAR from easy!?!

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What Ace is an unkown CO check/calling UI on the river?
Any ace. I was thinking of a big ace like A-10 through A-Q, but it could be any ace, really. It happens all the time. Or maybe you're missing too many value bets on the river and not giving the typical low limit player enough chances to call you on the river with these types of hands. He could also have paired his crappy kicker, or maybe he has some lower pocket pair.

If there's a fold on the river to a checkraise it's FAR from easy!?!
What can I say, except it SHOULD be easy. I wouldn't want to pay off a CR here with an underpair and a paired undercard on the board. But that is beside the point, because, as I said, it's highly unlikely the opponent will do anything but fold or call.

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i too bet this river. Pretty much everything lil says is also my thinking...

peace

john nickle

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So bet the river. If raised, you have an easy fold, but that's not likely anyway.

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I really don't like this line. If you're planning to fold to a raise, why not just check through? It would be a shame to walk away from a 7ish BB pot just because CO sensed weakness and made a bluff-raise.

I think if we bet this one we MUST call a raise, and if we're not willing to call a raise then we should check through.

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because CO sensed weakness and made a bluff-raise.

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How does 3-betting pre-flop and betting every street give Villan a sense of Hero's weakness?

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I think if we bet this one we MUST call a raise, and if we're not willing to call a raise then we should check through.

This isn't even the main point of the thread, but I am really surprised so many people have a hard time laying this down if you are check-raised on the river. Agaisnt a typical 2-4 player, you are toast. Easy fold.

It would be a shame to walk away from a 7ish BB pot just because CO sensed weakness and made a bluff-raise.
If you bet, you're not showing weakness. You're showing no fear! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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This looks fine to me. I think a river bet is in order unless you have a read that this player is very passive.

I'd be shocked if it happened, but I think you can lay down the hand if you're raised on the end.