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a quick preflop question.

Assume a mid stakes party game with a 1/2 blind structure. 3 horrible players and one tag (from EP) limp to you on the button what is the lowest Axo, Kyo, Qzo, and Jwo that you limp? How about the suited variety? How do the blinds affect your decision?

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Hobbs:

Off-suit: A7, K9, QT, JT.

Suited: Any A, Any K, Q8s, J7s

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I'm with Will, but I don't go quite as low on the Axo and I go one lower on the Jwo.

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AT, K9, Q9, J9, any axs, any kxs, Q8s, J7s

if a blind is more likely to raise i cut out the lowest unless hes also bad

(tbh this is mostly based on 15-30 blind structure though)

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Hobbs:

Off-suit: A7, K9, QT, JT.

Suited: Any A, Any K, Q8s, J7s

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I hate an A7 offsuit limp here. A8 too. I think A9 is breakeven.

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Off-suit: A7

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Yucky.

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Wow, I guess I am the tightest player alive?!

AJo, KQo, no Qxo or Jxo

All Axs, all Kxs, all Qxs, J8s+

Only reason the blinds would change my mind is if I knew one was extremely likely to raise. Then I'd drop some of the Qxs and J8s. Otherwise, since it's multiway, who cares what the blinds play like?

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We're only talking about hands we limp behind with?

ATo, KJ/KTo, QJ/QTo, JTo
A9s-A2s, K9s, QTs/Q9s, JTs-J8s.

Anything better than that range I raise with. If the blinds are tight, I extend my raising range further. If my table image is rock solid, I raise with almost every non-suited limping hand & about half the suited cards. If the SB is loose & the BB is passive/normal preflop aggression, I'll limp with a few more suited hands (especially KXs).

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Hobbs:

Off-suit: A7

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Yucky.

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It depends on the limpers, but I kind of think there are plenty of As that play reasonably well on the button behind a bunch of limpers. The fact that you're in good position mean it's very easy to avoid tough domination situations.

And, by the way, your new avatar girl is really gorgeous.

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4 limpers (who play badly) and I'm raising most Axs hands, most broadway suited and sometimes stong suited connectors (98s+). I'm raising all pocket pairs too.

Having the TAG in EP just makes the scenario better.

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We're only talking about hands we limp behind with?

ATo, KJ/KTo, QJ/QTo, JTo
A9s-A2s, K9s, QTs/Q9s, JTs-J8s.

Anything better than that range I raise with.

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I'd raise the Axs, QTs and JTs here almost always. (A maniac in the blinds would be a deterrent.)

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Warning: following these pf guidelines will increase your variance.

suited-
i can go as low as A5s, K8s, Q8s, J7s if the game is right(if it is tougher i may raise my requirements to A8s, K9s, Q9s, J9s).

offsuit-
can go as low as A8o, K9o, Q9o, J9o if the game is right.

i will raise most stronger hands, or may limp as the table dictates.

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i can go as low as A5s, K8s, Q8s, J7s

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Why on Earth wouldn't you limp with any Axs and even smaller Kxs?

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Perhaps with your offsuits, but I can't see how playing tighter with Axs than everyone else can increase your variance.

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i can go as low as A5s, K8s, Q8s, J7s

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Why on Earth wouldn't you limp with any Axs and even smaller Kxs?

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Perhaps with your offsuits, but I can't see how playing tighter with Axs than everyone else can increase your variance.

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this is tough for me because i don't have a default limping range. it is all predicated on the table conditions, how i have been running, how my opponents view me, etc. i just threw out a range for the fun of it. i may even raise or fold some of the hands i mentioned. with that many limpers i may limp smaller suited Aces and Kings, but not always. i tried to find a happy medium between my lagtastic heart and my Tagish brain. oh and by the way, any time you increase your pf starting range you are increasing the effect of variance, but you know this.

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oh and by the way, any time you increase your pf starting range you are increasing the effect of variance, but you know this.

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What I meant was that you starting range in that scenario was smaller than many others, thus decreasing the variance [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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oh and by the way, any time you increase your pf starting range you are increasing the effect of variance, but you know this.

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What I meant was that you starting range in that scenario was smaller than many others, thus decreasing the variance [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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maybe i should look at some others then.

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A8, K9, J8, Q9, all suited Kings, Q6s+, J7s+. I'm raising lots of my (suited) connectors.

Rob