Q9s on button
 

***** Hand History for Game 3196845140 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:18256742 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Tuesday, December 13, 21:56:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 67033 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: jlidtb6 ( $1705 )
Seat 3: AKR23 ( $2205 )
Seat 4: StiffStuff ( $510 )
Seat 6: pishka ( $2875 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $2705 )
Trny:18256742 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ Qd 9d ]
StiffStuff folds.
pishka folds.
Your turn:



Yes the hand is boring, but I think that knowing exactly what to do in the most boring situations that come up all the time, is one of the most important qualities. I'm surprised by what I did here, and am quite sure it's incorrect.

Re: Q9s on button
 

I'm fine with either folding or making it 400 or so; I probably just fold.

I don't think the EV between the plays is that huge either, unless the blinds are known to be aggressive in which case I'm just folding. Or if the blinds are known to be weak tight I'm much more inclined to raise.

Re: Q9s on button
 

Raise it to 350 and play some poker if called. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Q9s on button
 

Raise to t400 or so.

Re: Q9s on button
 

You aren't on IM, I was looking for you.

Re: Q9s on button
 

Yeah it is pretty boring, I just want to know exactly what to do. Against the following call ranges (that are wayyy too loose IMO, 55+,ATo+,A8s+,KQs, pushing is almost breakeven). If they get to the following range (66+,ATs+,AJo+), which is Still tighter than some may be, it becomes +.2%.

In any case I feel that the evidence suggests that it's appropriate to make some kind of raise, and that raising to 400 or so is the right play. Whenever simply opening allin has such a good chance of being +EV, it pains me to simply fold my hand.

In any matter, I don't believe it's of the utmost importance to not fold here. It's hard to prove mathematically because its not just some push/fold situation, but I suspect that it's correct to raise something. Can anyone prove me wrong?

Re: Q9s on button
 

Sssh! You said the p word...

To OP, play it like it's aces. I'm sure you have some standard raise, go ahead with 380 or something else that probably needs typing.

I might fold this against maniac/tilting opponents who don't know that you know they are maniac/tilting...

Re: Q9s on button
 

I think a raise is in order, but a fold probably isn't terribly losing a whole lot of $EV. It just seems very weak to me. If the SB was the BB (and vice versa) then I might find a fold as he would have just the kind of stack where he can play back at you more - 10-11bb, but as it is, I find it quite unlikely he will do that with the BB to go through as well, without a really good hand.

Re: Q9s on button
 

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***** Hand History for Game 3196845140 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:18256742 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Tuesday, December 13, 21:56:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 67033 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: jlidtb6 ( $1705 )
Seat 3: AKR23 ( $2205 )
Seat 4: StiffStuff ( $510 )
Seat 6: pishka ( $2875 )
Seat 8: ILuvCurtains ( $2705 )
Trny:18256742 Level:5
Blinds(75/150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ILuvCurtains [ Qd 9d ]
StiffStuff folds.
pishka folds.
Your turn:



Yes the hand is boring, but I think that knowing exactly what to do in the most boring situations that come up all the time, is one of the most important qualities. I'm surprised by what I did here, and am quite sure it's incorrect.

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I fold. You're in great shape chip wise. This is barely a push from SB per KS, so from button it has to be a fold. You don't need to risk your stack with this less than mediocre hand. If either blind doubles up from you you're in serous trouble, not worth the risk... be patient and fold, IMO.

BTW, I don't like a standard raise all that much b/c occassionally one of the blinds moves all-in, then you just donated a good chunk of your stack.

Re: Q9s on button
 

This is dependant on your read of villians and table image.

If you have a tight image and don't believe villians will play back at you, then I'd make a standard 2.5xBB raise and try and take down the blinds, and have a hand with at least some potential if I get called.

I probably mix it with 50% fold, 50% raise to t400.