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EricW 07-21-2005 05:56 PM

COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
Hey guys, this is a long post. I'd great appreciate it if you would tear up my play and point out any mistakes. I'm still making money but I've kinda hit a road block where I am constantly second guessing my decisions. Thanks


Hand 1:

***** Hand History for Game 2397894922 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14116929) - Thu Jul 21 01:30:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 11725 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Vietrex405 (285)
Seat 2: MisterPitt (745)
Seat 3: heathk6890 (795)
Seat 4: Sand103 (330)
Seat 5: hokies222 (950)
Seat 6: l3utcher (1025)
Seat 7: scandiaclay (1725)
Seat 8: pattyj19 (595)
Seat 9: Hero (775)
Seat 10: Ric_P (775)
pattyj19 posts small blind (15)
Hero posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9c, 8h ]
Sand103: Wasn't an awful play
Ric_P folds.
Vietrex405 folds.
MisterPitt calls (30)
heathk6890 folds.
Sand103 folds.
hokies222 calls (30)
l3utcher folds.
scandiaclay folds.
pattyj19 calls (15)
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, 8c, 9d ]
pattyj19 bets (60)
Hero raises (745) to 745
Hero is all-In.

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Hand 2


***** Hand History for Game 2397994833 *****
150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14116926) - Thu Jul 21 01:50:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 11706 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Hero (1095)
Seat 5: golfproX (770)
Seat 7: MisterPitt (3560)
Seat 8: shockley66 (1605)
Seat 10: TexasSwede (970)
shockley66 posts small blind (75)
TexasSwede posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ As, Qh ]
Hero raises (1095) to 1095
Hero is all-In.

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Hand 3:


***** Hand History for Game 2398172761 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14117956) - Thu Jul 21 02:29:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 11476 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: ShadowyOne (4105)
Seat 2: maryanncc2 (1010)
Seat 8: PDHillGolf (665)
Seat 9: tom441lbk (640)
Seat 10: Hero (1580)
maryanncc2 posts small blind (50)
PDHillGolf posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9d, 9s ]
tom441lbk raises (640) to 640
tom441lbk is all-In.
Hero folds.

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Hand 4:


***** Hand History for Game 2398260178 *****
TonyChiza finished in tenth place.
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14118949) - Thu Jul 21 02:51:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 11121 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Hero (800)
Seat 2: ZAMBA123 (785)
Seat 3: Teacher68 (800)
Seat 4: dadoff (705)
Seat 5: HoldemsMVP (1765)
Seat 6: lydic10 (790)
Seat 7: tacoboy12 (770)
Seat 9: riverqueen35 (785)
Seat 10: LordRaymon (800)
riverqueen35 posts small blind (10)
LordRaymon posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9s, 9h ]
Hero calls (15)
ZAMBA123 folds.
Teacher68 folds.
dadoff folds.
HoldemsMVP folds.
lydic10 folds.
tacoboy12 folds.
riverqueen35 calls (5)
LordRaymon checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 2h, 7h ]
riverqueen35 checks.
LordRaymon bets (15)
Hero raises (125) to 125

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Hand 5:

***** Hand History for Game 2398286980 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14118943) - Thu Jul 21 02:58:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 35307 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Hero (1600)
Seat 2: tacoboy12 (585)
Seat 3: ShiningNite (760)
Seat 4: forstar182 (1165)
Seat 6: lydic10 (460)
Seat 7: Blaze56 (770)
Seat 8: schmada (880)
Seat 9: HBSoCalKid (760)
Seat 10: tex_2_sd (1020)
tex_2_sd posts small blind (10)
Hero posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Tc, Td ]
tacoboy12 folds.
ShiningNite folds.
forstar182 folds.
lydic10 folds.
Blaze56 folds.
schmada raises (59) to 59
HBSoCalKid folds.
tex_2_sd calls (49)
Hero calls (44)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3d, 7h, 5d ]
tex_2_sd checks.
Hero bets (153)
schmada calls (153)
tex_2_sd folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9d ]
Hero bets (1388)
Hero is all-In.

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Hand 6:

***** Hand History for Game 2398342530 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14119287) - Thu Jul 21 03:14:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11063 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: regbone (800)
Seat 2: cdbkkim (370)
Seat 3: dwjn0351 (842)
Seat 4: Osvik (660)
Seat 5: ngsykes (815)
Seat 6: jknish2121 (695)
Seat 7: yelpihs (1433)
Seat 8: Pugs12 (800)
Seat 9: Quads420 (800)
Seat 10: Hero (785)
yelpihs posts small blind (10)
Pugs12 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9h, 9s ]
Quads420 calls (15)
Hero calls (15)
regbone folds.
cdbkkim calls (15)
dwjn0351 calls (15)
Osvik calls (15)
ngsykes folds.
jknish2121 folds.
yelpihs calls (5)
Pugs12 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 4h, 5h ]
yelpihs checks.
igotrived1: dan may i ask what that last move was about
Pugs12 checks.
Quads420 checks.
Hero checks.
cdbkkim checks.
dwjn0351 checks.
Osvik checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ]
yelpihs checks.
Pugs12 bets (15)
Quads420 folds.
Hero folds.

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Hand 7:

***** Hand History for Game 2398527475 *****
150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14119789) - Thu Jul 21 04:17:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 11269 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 7: barbiedoll25 (1730)
Seat 8: macoolit (1375)
Seat 9: camlett (2410)
Seat 10: Hero (2485)
camlett posts small blind (75)
Hero posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qd, Ah ]
barbiedoll25 raises (375) to 375
macoolit folds.
camlett folds.
Hero raises (2335) to 2485
Hero is all-In.


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Hand 8:

***** Hand History for Game 2398631460 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 14120261) - Thu Jul 21 05:02:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 39796 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 6: DeezNutsZBig (1275)
Seat 7: pizzabob1 (2840)
Seat 9: chuckles5021 (1985)
Seat 10: Hero (1900)
Hero posts small blind (100)
DeezNutsZBig posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 6d, 6c ]
pizzabob1 folds.
chuckles5021 raises (1985) to 1985
chuckles5021 is all-In.
Hero folds.

tigerite 07-21-2005 06:59 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
1. This seems okay, I probably would raise less but enough to commit myself to the hand, there's no way I'm folding this that's for sure..

2. Standard
3. 99 is just a bit too good for me to let go here, I re-raise all in to isolate. He has 6BB and is UTG, people do wacky stuff when blinds are about to hit. You have him massively covered.
4. Not sure you need to re-raise quite this much? Just to 80 or so would have the same effect.
5. It's a close decision on the flop whether to check or bet, I err towards check and obviously then check-raise if or when the preflop raiser bets, which he probably will, because he's a donk. Turn.. hmm. I think I would just check and see what he does? No need to push this.
6. What the hell is this. You're seeing ghosts mate. Bet the flop, and re-assess from there.
7. This is tough but she's raised about 30% of her stack, I don't think she's folding, and I don't think you need to make this move right now.. and she's from UTG. I actually think in this situation fold > call > push. The small stacks are not small enough that she will fold to your push if she has you beat.
8. Meh this is very close, and read-dependent entirely. Got to be close to a call though.

EricW 07-21-2005 07:08 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
Thanks tigerite!

You were exactly one of the posters whom I was looking foward to hearing from.

I guess I have another question as well for any seasoned vets. I've played 217, $10 sit n gos and my ITM is 41% and ROI is 23%. I think I'm doing well. However, the higher my bank roll becomes, the more "scared poker" I feel obliged to play. I'm playing mind games with myself wondering if what I did was correct, and just constantly second guessing myself. I've played many sit n gos before this (months ago) and I've always been decent. However, I just started this new run (217 so far) and I can honestly say that I was playing more comfortably after 100 sit n gos than now after 217. How can i combat this irrational self doubt?

tigerite 07-21-2005 07:18 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
That I really can't answer for you, but if it helps, when I came back from my long break and finally went back into the SNGs I was awful, really. I then started playing better, then had 13 OOTM with the worst beats imaginable, and now in the last 50 am on a real upturn again. I play pretty weak-tight in the early stages, but to an extent. I will always take at least a stab at a pot for instance if I rate to be ahead. Just keep belief in your poker and the rest will fall into place, don't second guess or doubt yourself, and definitely don't play scared because of some bad beats, or heaven forbid the odd bad read, we all make them, don't worry.

Oh and my ROI and ITM over the 239 I've played since coming back, allowing for the fact that I was crap in probably my first 80, is at 16% and 36%. 1st/2nd/3rd/4th at 15%/12%/9%/8%, or thereabouts.

EricW 07-21-2005 07:22 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
Oh, just as an FYI, most of those hands that I posted I ended winning. I just want to make sure that they were the right plays or if there's a better play.

The more I think about the TT hand when the flush hit the more I think it doesn't make sense. I mean why would I go all in after a card pops up that makes my hand slightly worse? I probably could have bet less I'm thinking.

tigerite 07-21-2005 07:25 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
Well at least half the hands I don't really see much wrong with, maybe just the bet amounts. Just the two 99 hands I don't fully understand, maybe you don't like the hand or something [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ZeroPointMachine 07-21-2005 07:50 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
[ QUOTE ]
1. This seems okay, I probably would raise less but enough to commit myself to the hand, there's no way I'm folding this that's for sure..

2. Standard
3. 99 is just a bit too good for me to let go here, I re-raise all in to isolate. He has 6BB and is UTG, people do wacky stuff when blinds are about to hit. You have him massively covered.
4. Not sure you need to re-raise quite this much? Just to 80 or so would have the same effect.
5. It's a close decision on the flop whether to check or bet, I err towards check and obviously then check-raise if or when the preflop raiser bets, which he probably will, because he's a donk. Turn.. hmm. I think I would just check and see what he does? No need to push this.
6. What the hell is this. You're seeing ghosts mate. Bet the flop, and re-assess from there.
7. This is tough but she's raised about 30% of her stack, I don't think she's folding, and I don't think you need to make this move right now.. and she's from UTG. I actually think in this situation fold > call > push. The small stacks are not small enough that she will fold to your push if she has you beat.
8. Meh this is very close, and read-dependent entirely. Got to be close to a call though.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm on the other side of the fence on #7 & #8

#7 I see way too many bets like this that are just weak steal attempts. I think you will get a fold here 50% with a push and are a 60/40 or better with alot of the calls. If this was the first standard raise from a push monkey I'd play it differently. If you lose your still in the fight. If you win 1st is much more realistic.

#8 I fold given the stacks and that your only ahead of a handful of hands, flipping with most, and in deep crap with the rest.

tigerite 07-21-2005 07:53 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
Nah, I fold 8 too, I just meant it's close to a call, as in 77 would be much more appealing here, and 88 is almost certainly a call I think. As for 7, well ok yes, if you have a read that the person's a bit donkish, then a push is alright, but most tend to tighten up on the bubble and not try to steal against the chip leader, I dunno, it is tough as I say.. give the small stack just a couple of hundred less and I like the push a lot more, that's all..

Newt_Buggs 07-21-2005 10:09 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
1. I wouldn't do it but I don't think that its bad
2. standard, you could do this face up and it would be profitable
3. I'de probably push, but its close and folding is by no means wrong
4. I'de raise less. You have to learn how to play a tricky turn card at some point.
5. this is tricky and something that I've been having trouble with myself. I think that I would check and either raise or fold if he bets. If it checks around and an A hits I won't be heart broken.
6. I'de bet here and know that I will be folding on the later streets sometimes. Once again though, there's nothing wrong with the line that you took.
7. Looks good
8. very easy fold

edit: after reading the other responses I just wanted to add that I really don't think that hand 8 is close. You have to be insane to call here.

I wouldn't mind hearing some debate on hand 7. I'm not sure what the best play is here. I can see calling, raising, and folding as possible. I'm pushing here, but I'm not sure if it's optimal.

microbet 07-21-2005 10:43 PM

Re: COMRADES, please critique/tear up a bunch of hands
 
Hand 1.

It doesn't seem terrible, but I don't do it. I raise to about 200. If I had a stack of about 600, I'd probably push.

Hand 2.

Easy push.

Hand 3.

This one depends on how tom has been playing and how the big stack has been playing. I'm leaning towards pushing, but not sure.

Hand 4.

I wouldn't raise by that much. I'd just raise to like 75.

Hand 5.

I don't know what is going on with the wierd bet amounts. I'm probably affected by seeing what he did, but I think he is very likely to make a moderate bet on the flop and I think check/call the flop and then allin on the turn is a good line here.


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