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lastchance 06-23-2005 10:14 PM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
You are not playing good poker right now. This and the other hand you posted = insanity.

jrbick 06-23-2005 10:47 PM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
...calls and it's not close. That flop should make you VERY happy since it is VERY unlikely he holds a K at this point. He's either pushed a draw or a Q. My $.02

Going to finish thread now.

jrbick 06-23-2005 10:52 PM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
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this is exactly the flop you dont want
get the hell out of there

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The only worse advice I could think of was "fold your AA PF"

jrbick 06-23-2005 11:00 PM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
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Another interesting aspect of the hand which hasn't been discussed is whether or not the hero's check was correct. Thoughts?

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I think that it's imperative to getting opponents chips in the middle. Right away I am not thinking K as one of his holdings so let's give him a chance to bluff at this. The only thing I can think of that's weaker than a check (thus inducing the bluff) is a minimum-bet. But I don't like that since an F-draw (which you're ahead of RIGHT NOW) calls seeing a cheap turn-card and a hand that has completely missed is more than likely folding rather than raising against it. Maybe it's 50/50 (chances of inducing a bluff by checking or min. betting), but I think it's more like 70/30.

tminus 06-23-2005 11:45 PM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
i think foe has a K, how is that poor poker?

octaveshift 06-24-2005 09:48 AM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
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i think foe has a K, how is that poor poker?

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I just don't see anyone that would minraise PF pushing trips here in some weird reverse bluff.

The average Party player checks trips 99% of the time, and I don't think I've ever seen _anyone_ flop a boat and then push over a flop check.

Let's assume the villain is rational, and wants to extract maximum value from their hand. If you flop trips or a boat, you certainly don't want to blow your opponent out of the water by *pushing* over a check.

There may be Party players out there capable of making a feigned steal bluff on a flop like this, but I haven't met him yet.

Against most players, I play flopped trips fast, but not *this* fast.

tminus 06-24-2005 09:57 AM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
good point, ill think about this...

Toonces 06-24-2005 10:58 AM

What about with 4 callers?
 
I had this hand yesterday...

Hero has AA in round 1 of STT in the big blind.

MP1 calls $10. MP3 raises to $40. CO calls $40. <font color="red"> Hero raises to $180 </font> MP1, MP3 and CO call.

Flop is K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero ???

MegaBet 06-24-2005 11:51 AM

Re: What about with 4 callers?
 
That's super nasty, because you can almost guarentee one or more of those 3 guys holding a king. The only way to play this, I reckon, is to hope the king holder(s) slow play (which they should - no straight or flush draws) and you hit a miracle ace. Otherwise, this is one of the few situations where you have to throw away your aces if someone bets big.

SuitedSixes 06-24-2005 12:01 PM

Re: AA on dangerous flop...how do you play this?
 
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i think foe has a K, how is that poor poker?

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I just don't see anyone that would minraise PF pushing trips here in some weird reverse bluff.

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I think villain's play is brilliant if he suspects Hero is holding, AA which I think is fairly obvious based on pre-flop betting, being as how no one seems capable of laying down AA on a flop . . . because it is the best (and most indestructable) starting hand in hold 'em.

If you don't lay down AA on this flop, with this action, when DO you?


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