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Action Scott 11-03-2005 10:15 AM

Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
I havent' played many casino bonuses but have done a few and only played blackjack. I see a lot of people in these forums talking about Pontoon. So yesterday, I got on Intercasino and tried it out for play money. I guess Pontoon is supposed to have a lower house advantage but I don't see it...3 things:
1. You can't see either of the dealers hole cards
2. You have to hit on 14 and below
3. (this is the biggie) DEALER wins all ties

The only advantage I see is that Pontoon (21) pays 2:1.

Enlighten me, it seems that the house would have more of an advantage in this game.
Also, what is the proper stratgey then, do you hit 15's and 16's?

Thanks for your input.

11-03-2005 10:21 AM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
I belive that http://wizardofodds.com/ is your friend regarding an optimal strategy.

Regarding BJ vs Pontoon the house advantage is less but the variance is higher, i.e., you are more likely to bust or win big.

Best,

Ralf

rusty JEDI 11-03-2005 10:42 AM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
Doubling at any point in the hand helps the player.

rJ

BigDave 11-03-2005 11:29 AM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
I am a big fan of 5 card tricks paying double, and often find soft 4 card hands that make automatic 5 card hands. That allows you to double before the 5th card and win quadruple, which is very nice. I think this is an advantage too.

I stand on 15 and 16 everytime, cause the card on the WoO says so.

cassette 11-03-2005 01:15 PM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
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I stand on 15 and 16 everytime, cause the card on the WoO says so.

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Make sure you're not standing on a 4 card 15 or 16. Double down. Might not hurt to read the startegy card again...

BigDave 11-03-2005 01:44 PM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
you are of course right, I assumed the OP was aking about 2 card 15 and 16's.

velvetdog 11-03-2005 05:24 PM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
I just cleared my $90 Intercasino bonus last night (+ $65 in winnings) on Pontoon and I love it.

Pontoon Advantages:

2:1 payout for blackjack (Pontoon)
ability to hit after doubling
5 card trick pays 2:1
Ability to double on 3-4 cards
Ability to double after split
Pontoon after splitting aces pays 2:1

Disadvantages:

No dealer upcard
Must hit to hard 14
Dealer wins ties

I don't have the stats for the % advantage for each of these (Bet Sklansky knows though), but suspect that Pontoon would have a slight advantage over 4 or 6 deck blackjack, probably very close to single deck blackjack w/ favorable Vegas rules (double on any 2 cards). Agree that variance is probably higher because there are more doubling situations.

Blackjack would be preferred for card counters especially if dealt using 4 decks or less w/ good deck penetration, since Pontoon uses 8 decks and I am unsure of penetration.

BigF 11-03-2005 05:35 PM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
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I belive that http://wizardofodds.com/ is your friend regarding an optimal strategy.

Regarding BJ vs Pontoon the house advantage is less but the variance is higher, i.e., you are more likely to bust or win big.

Best,

Ralf

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And higher variance translates into higher EV, assuming you are adequately rolled.

PLOlover 11-03-2005 08:00 PM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
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And higher variance translates into higher EV, assuming you are adequately rolled.


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Can u explain that a bit please? I'm not a newbie but I'm not quite sure what you mean or if that is right.

BigF 11-04-2005 04:08 AM

Re: Blackjack vs. Pontoon
 
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And higher variance translates into higher EV, assuming you are adequately rolled.


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Can u explain that a bit please? I'm not a newbie but I'm not quite sure what you mean or if that is right.

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Correct me if I'm wrong.

I define EV as EV = Bonus - HA * Wagering Total

higher variance -> busting out more often -> smaller wagering total -> higher EV

It's a small edge but a player edge nonetheless.


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