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nath 12-28-2005 06:57 PM

Re: How Many Suckouts Do You Make In Your Tourney Wins?
 
Quite a few, sometimes. It depends... I'm usually making more suckouts if I've gotten lucky enough to get a big stack early because I'm doing much more gambling and pushing around the short stacks.
I don't like to be all in very often and I've found the less frequently I'm playing for all my chips on one hand the better my results are.
Luck is always a factor... my luck usually comes from getting big hands paid off or winning races at the right time. Occasionally I'll get it in as a dog, sometimes even knowingly, but I try to avoid that.
Also, no dumb mistakes. That helps a lot.

tshak 12-28-2005 07:28 PM

Re: How Many Suckouts Do You Make In Your Tourney Wins?
 
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Other marginal hands: AJc against 55 on a board of Tc 9s 9c.

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Actually, you are a 3:2 favorite here.

Dan Mezick 12-28-2005 07:40 PM

Re: How Many Suckouts Do You Make In Your Tourney Wins?
 
I believe 2 to 4 suckouts per 200 hands or so is what I experience on the way to just about every final table I experience.

Usually it's a pair against pair battle where I have cut it a little too fine in my estimation of relative strength.

el_dusto 12-28-2005 09:23 PM

Re: How Many Suckouts Do You Make In Your Tourney Wins?
 
Every hand I win is a suckout.

At least according to my opponents.

bobbycharles 12-28-2005 10:27 PM

Re: How Many Suckouts Do You Make In Your Tourney Wins?
 
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If you go all in 4x in a row with a 75% chance to win.. then you only win all 4 31% of the time.

.75 x .75 x .75 x .75 = 0.3164%~


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This may be the Holy Grail I've been looking for...ok, that's a stretch, but I've never done the math from an entire tourney standpoint before.

This could be the single most important concept I never understood. Ok, that's a stretch too...but.. No wonder I'm always so pissed when I get knocked out of a tourney with the best hand going in and lose to the runner runner.

Thanks Winky. Excellent.

12-28-2005 11:06 PM

Re: How Many Suckouts Do You Make In Your Tourney Wins?
 
I agree with Adanthar, my good finishes come from not suffering bad beats. Getting my money in when I'm ahead and have an edge and it holds up. That needs to happen several times to win a tourney.


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