$11 - QQ, A turns
 

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MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1490)
CO (t840)
Button (t1300)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2390)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls t60, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t60, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t210) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls t180.

Turn: (t570) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t160</font>, Hero calls t160.

River: (t890) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t440 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Villain was in one hand, played passively, and didn't show when he lost.

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It would be nice to know how CO lost so much of his stack so quickly.

Raise 4-5xbb preflop.I lead the turn and fold to a push.


I like the flop bet.

I just push the turn, yah he might have an Ace but the pot is big and you are committed.

I think folding the river is pretty awful.

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I don't know, I'm probably calling that river bet.

Villain's push might very well be desperation if he had some sort of draw after the flop, which is draw-heavy.

Or Villain could have a monster, of course, but you only have to be right one out of four times, and you still have some sort of stack left if you are wrong.

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It seems to me that once you check - called the turn, you're committed to calling the river.

Why not lead the turn?

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I don't know, I'm probably calling that river bet.

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Yeah, me too [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I'm calling bs on this one. Honestly, his turn lead fails to sell more so than the river. The two combined do not add up to an Ace IMO.

(Damn, I gotta split. Maybe someone else can explore these possible non-Ace signs a bit for me.)

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I think he was worried that if he leads the turn he was committed to call a push.

Hence why I just open push the turn or check/raise the turn to get all the chips in the middle.

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i like open pushing the turn. it's t600 more to get villain all in, which is basically the size of the pot. seems reasonable to me.

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It would be nice to know how CO lost so much of his stack so quickly.

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Villain was in one hand, played passively, and didn't show when he lost.

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Alright, I have a confession to make. I didn't fold the river. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] Regardless, I loathe the way I played it. If I was going to fold to a river push, I should've folded to the turn bet.

Help me out here: I don't get why anyone would lead this turn. If I'm going to push, why not c/r all-in, and push the river if he checks behind the turn? If he has an A, he'd call my turn push. If he doesn't, I might get him to bet at the turn before I force him out.

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Alright, I have a confession to make. I didn't fold the river. Regardless, I loathe the way I played it. If I was going to fold to a river push, I should've folded to the turn bet.

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My point exactly. Okay, my take:

On the turn, villain has t600 left. I'd make a bet of ~200 into the pot. Unless he's very tricky, I think you can fold to a push of 400 more. (I wouldn't do this against a tricky or aggressive player who would push on a draw.)

But on an 11, I think that a push over the top of your turn bet is an ace the vast majority of the time.

Now, if it weren't for the draws on board, I usually prefer check - calling a push over pushing myself. If he's got an ace, he's never folding, but you allow him to bluff at you. I don't like my check - call line here because of the presence of draws all over the place.

I know some will disagree, but I would make a bet of 175-200 on the turn. If he pushes for his remaining 400-425, I'd fold against a typical 11 opponent.

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What 45suited said. Bet the turn! He's running out of chips and is unlikely to risk them without a hand. Your check on the turn exposes you to the bluff.

So he had Ace-x of hearts? or less likely A8o, A9o?