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Pedigree 12-12-2005 09:52 PM

This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
MP2 is very loose and pretty passive (60/10/.65) but that's not a really strong read (30 hands).

Had a strong read on the BB that he was loose and aggressive. Was suprised and disappointed when he folded preflop...

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.50. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

12-12-2005 09:54 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
I would fold:

(1) preflop,
(2) to MP2's flop bet
(3) to MP2's 3-bet
(4) to MP2's turn bet.

Pedigree 12-12-2005 10:00 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
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I would fold:

(4) to MP2's turn bet.


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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] with 6 probably clean outs getting 8 to 1 odds?

12-12-2005 10:02 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
you're right, i take back #4.

12-12-2005 10:03 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
Fine i take back #3 too

Pedigree 12-12-2005 10:06 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
I thought raising the flop was worth a shot given the size of the pot and the (small) number of opponents. I probably should've folded at #2 though.

Eeegah 12-12-2005 10:12 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
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MP2 is very loose and pretty passive (60/10/.65)

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG+2 posts a blind of $0.50. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls,

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What the hell were you thinking?

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Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

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What the hell were you thinking?

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UTG+2 folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

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What the hell were you thinking?

This hand makes no sense to me whatsoever. Did you think Mr. Passive's preflop raise, flop bet and 3-bet screamed "I don't have a hand?"

12-12-2005 10:12 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
Hm ... In rings games ... I used to make this raise, but I usually fold in these situations now ... I'm now wondering if I play too weak-tight with these med. pocket pairs. On the flop H/U I might be more tempted to make this play ...

What raising hands are we ahead of?: AK, AJ, AT, KJ, KT? Am i limiting his range too much?

The passive read + 3-way pot makes me fold ... but i'd be interested what others think since I might be too W/T here.

DCWildcat 12-12-2005 10:15 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
I'm folding every street but the turn.

12-12-2005 10:20 PM

Re: This Hand Got Ugly Quick - Thoughts
 
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I would fold:

(1) preflop,

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OP already explained that he thought BB was coming along and would increase his implied odds if he hit his set.

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(2) to MP2's flop bet

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It's very likely that this flop missed MP2 completely.

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MP2's 3-bet

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No arguments here. Though calling and folding the turn UI is not a huge mistake.

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to MP2's turn bet.

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Hero now has 6 outs and getting odds to call.


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