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ir0nphist 08-25-2005 11:01 AM

dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
It seems like this happens ALL the time:

(Hypothetical hand)
Blinds 100/200

UTG 2000
Button 4000
SB 2000
BB (Hero) 2000

Hero is dealt (4h 8h)
UTG folds, Button miraises to 400, SB folds, Hero ??

I absolutely hate this position. At times I will resteal all-in, but I don't like that as my standard line. Especially if I've been aggressive lately, which is usually the case by this point.
The problem here is that I am getting 3.5:1 on the call, so it seems weak to fold, but it's hard to play much post flop at this point in the tourney.

Raemius 08-25-2005 11:37 AM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
I like to call here, and being first to act, bet out about 1/2 the pot no matter what the flop.

I'd like to hear some input on this as well.

Hornacek 08-25-2005 11:44 AM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
I fold.

With 4-8o, I'm nearly certain he has you beat anyways... why bother playing this hand out of position, and not sure what kind of flop is good for you? For example, a flop like 5-8-J, are you good? You can make a probe bet, but when it comes down to it, you might be risking an awful amount of chips on a VERY marginal hand. Fold, and wait for a better opportunity. Just let this one go.

~Hornacek.

Raemius 08-25-2005 11:58 AM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
If this is a common occurance, I would think it's a steal, even if it's a min raise. Obviously, if played back post flop, you gotta fold, but most of the time, you will win the pot post flop by showing agression, especially on bubble play.

You may be certain he has you beat, but he doesn't know that.

ir0nphist 08-25-2005 12:27 PM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
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I like to call here, and being first to act, bet out about 1/2 the pot no matter what the flop.

I'd like to hear some input on this as well.

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I think I like this line best, and it has been what I've been trying more of late w/ decent success. Of course when it doesn't work, I end up kicking myself for squandering away 1/2 my stack w/ a hand like 84s.

Hornacek 08-25-2005 12:49 PM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
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I like to call here, and being first to act, bet out about 1/2 the pot no matter what the flop.

I'd like to hear some input on this as well.

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I think I like this line best, and it has been what I've been trying more of late w/ decent success. Of course when it doesn't work, I end up kicking myself for squandering away 1/2 my stack w/ a hand like 84s.

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especially since its on the bubble, and you're not short-stacked at all... why risk more chips with an even more marginal hand?

Myst 08-25-2005 12:51 PM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
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why risk more chips with an even more marginal hand?

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Because THAT's GOOD poker.

Raemius 08-25-2005 01:03 PM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
Even if your bet is called, you still have $1200 left, not quite dead. I'd rather make a stand and make villain think twice before trying to steal my blind again. Plus, if he folds to your bet on the flop (I'd say there is a >50% chance of this), you've got $2900, one hand away from being chip leader.

If you fold you have $1800, and next time you have the blind with a crap hand, you'll get raised again.

Isura 08-25-2005 02:33 PM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
YOu have to defend a lot more at the 55s, but I would just let this go.

Isura 08-25-2005 02:36 PM

Re: dealing with minraises against your BB @ later levels (55s)
 
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I like to call here, and being first to act, bet out about 1/2 the pot no matter what the flop.

I'd like to hear some input on this as well.

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This is terrible imo. You have < 10bb after posting, and if your continuation/probe bet fails, you have just lost almost 1/2 of your stack. If you want to make a stand, push over the top and take it down. This kind of weak blind defense is really easy to pick up on and play back at.


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