Flop a boat...and lay it down =P
 

No reads on villian - this is like my first or second orbit at table. 6max 50NL

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($50)
MP ($102.68)
CO ($47.40)
Button ($76.80)
SB ($55.10)
BB ($33.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO folds, BB calls $5.

River: ($20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB calls $25.75 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $45.75

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I usually lead the flop. Underfulls are vulnerable. Get the money in ASAP IMO.

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I usually lead the flop. Underfulls are vulnerable. Get the money in ASAP IMO.

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true, good point - but Im sure his Q would have called and I just would have lost a bigger pot - but in the future, I like that play.

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No reads on villian - this is like my first or second orbit at table. 6max 50NL

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($50)
MP ($102.68)
CO ($47.40)
Button ($76.80)
SB ($55.10)
BB ($33.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $2</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO folds, BB calls $5.

River: ($20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB calls $25.75 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $45.75

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that is the absolute perfect flop to lead

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I usually lead the flop. Underfulls are vulnerable. Get the money in ASAP IMO.

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true, good point - but Im sure his Q would have called and I just would have lost a bigger pot - but in the future, I like that play.

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Yes, in this case you would have just lost a bigger pot which is exactly why you would want to lead every time so that on the next 45 identical future occasions when the case Queen doesn't make an unwelcome cameo on the river you will WIN a bigger pot. You should have bet more on the turn too, the Queen is not folding. Remember you WANTED a bigger pot.

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Actually the next 42 occasions. We don't really want that 6 showing up either now do we.

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I don't mind the check on the flop but after a bet and a call you can reasonable assume that one of them has a Q- thus raise bc they aren't going to fold it. They will either reraise or if they don't you can get it in on the turn. If you just call the flop i think you need to make a bigger bet on the turn so that you can get it all in when the queen doesnt come out.

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true, good point - but Im sure his Q would have called and I just would have lost a bigger pot - but in the future, I like that play.

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I see people doing this without a Q. Usually they have pocket 10's or something like that. Another reason to make a claim on the pot.

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Underfulls are vulnerable

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On that flop, the underfull is a monster. Opponent is drawing to 4 outs - and it's effectively only 1 card to come (board must pair for 3 of those outs). This hand is barely vulnerable at all.

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Against 3 people you have no idea what cards you don't want to see here, maybe someone's hanging around with 99 or whatever and will catch it unless you bet/raise, or maybe he has Q6o, or whatever else there is. 3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later. So, you need to protect your hand, and to do that you need to bet this flop. Which also happens to be a good way to disguise your hand.

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3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later.

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You're weak tight. If there's 3 others in the pot, that pot is [censored] massive. If I get outdrawn by 10 outs, great; the other times I ship a huge pot. Hero has like 80% pot equity here.

Edit: Of course I advocate leading the flop. Most everything in this thread is assumed. Jesus christ guys

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I usually lead the flop. ... Get the money in ASAP IMO.

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that is the absolute perfect flop to lead

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So, you need to protect your hand, and to do that you need to bet this flop.

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Against 3 people you have no idea what cards you don't want to see here, maybe someone's hanging around with 99 or whatever and will catch it unless you bet/raise, or maybe he has Q6o, or whatever else there is. 3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later. So, you need to protect your hand, and to do that you need to bet this flop. Which also happens to be a good way to disguise your hand.

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I don't think this hands needs protection, I agree he has to pot this flop but for protection

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3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later.

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You're weak tight. If there's 3 others in the pot, that pot is [censored] massive. If I get outdrawn by 10 outs, great; the other times I ship a huge pot. Hero has like 80% pot equity here.

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How is the pot massive when you're calling a halfpot on flop, and beting half pot on turn? And then when you're behind you put the rest of your stack in, that's good play?

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3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later.

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You're weak tight. If there's 3 others in the pot, that pot is [censored] massive. If I get outdrawn by 10 outs, great; the other times I ship a huge pot. Hero has like 80% pot equity here.

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it's not massive when there's only half pot bets moving around

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Against 3 people you have no idea what cards you don't want to see here, maybe someone's hanging around with 99 or whatever and will catch it unless you bet/raise, or maybe he has Q6o, or whatever else there is. 3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later. So, you need to protect your hand, and to do that you need to bet this flop. Which also happens to be a good way to disguise your hand.

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I don't think this hands needs protection, I agree he has to pot this flop but for protection

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Headsup, sure you don't need to protect it much, but against half the table they are probably drawing to atleast a decent amount of outs against you, so slowplaying is generally pretty bad here.

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Against 3 people you have no idea what cards you don't want to see here, maybe someone's hanging around with 99 or whatever and will catch it unless you bet/raise, or maybe he has Q6o, or whatever else there is. 3 people with a few outs each will inevitably lead to atleast one of them hitting his out sooner or later. So, you need to protect your hand, and to do that you need to bet this flop. Which also happens to be a good way to disguise your hand.

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I don't think this hands needs protection, I agree he has to pot this flop but for protection

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Headsup, sure you don't need to protect it much, but against half the table they are probably drawing to atleast a decent amount of outs against you, so slowplaying is generally pretty bad here.

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it's 3 handed, very likely one has a Q the other has a flush draw. still, bad timing to slowplay

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Actually the next 42 occasions. We don't really want that 6 showing up either now do we.

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I don't get it. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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The OP mentioned that even if he would have bet the flop, he would have lost; thus, being results oriented. The reply is simply trying to tell the OP that the other times when the fourth queen doesn't come, you're going to be solid, so get your fvcking money in.