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12-30-2005 01:03 AM

$11: AKs early in game
 
No reads. Your move?

PartyPoker, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t785)
MP1 (t775)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t795)
Hero (t770)
CO (t785)
Button (t530)
SB (t720)
BB (t1110)

Preflop: Hero is in CO+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t15, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises t50</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises t150</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero ???</font>

bluefeet 12-30-2005 01:15 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
dump it. either MP1 has AA/KK enough - or - you whiff the flop facing a certain c-bet...to make calling suck. as 3rd aggressor, i'm not looking for a 3-way AI here either.

brimstone1 12-30-2005 01:15 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
bluefeet is correct enough times here for me to shut up.
nh.

Scuba Chuck 12-30-2005 01:24 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
A winning player would move allin here. A better player than that would fold.

swiftrhett 12-30-2005 01:31 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
At the $11's, push, at the $22's, fold.

12-30-2005 01:40 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
[ QUOTE ]
A winning player would move allin here. A better player than that would fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

do you really believe that scuba? I find that comment very interesting and I would say I have to agree? But is that one of the many differences between big and small winners?

Blarg 12-30-2005 08:07 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
[ QUOTE ]
At the $11's, push, at the $22's, fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow I have loved the answers to here enough to make me doubt my decision to stop reading this forum and just play.

I find the real low levels filled with crap bets to an extent that people even a little higher completely underestimate, but still don't find AKs that great a hand. The truth is, considering the opposition, you'll probably get a better hand than that to go up against the crazies with.

These guys at the low levels are going to try to either steal your money or give you theirs for free. You're rarely going to have to really play them for it. So if you pass by a decent opportunity, you are not screwing yourself over the way you would in a tight game. Will you have chances later? OMG hell yes. You'll be drowning in chances to take the easy end of a bet. You don't have to do it right up front anytime soon. They will come to you, believe me. Whether it's betting A3 offsuit into your AJo or whether it's calling your AJo push with KJo.

These guys are DYING to throw their money away. You just need to step out of the way and give them the chance to do it. You could go broke waiting for the bad luck to get out of your way, but you won't need to hang around waiting for good times to get all your money in the middle. Crackpots are the norm. You will have plenty of chances to get your money in against them. You just need a real strong stomach for ridiculous reversals, and to learn to be happy when you're called with garbage instead of indignant about it. Can be tougher than it sounds.

12-30-2005 10:28 AM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
I agree with Scuba. This betting pattern isn't as scary in the $11s as some may think; AA/KK is possible, but they do this with such a wide range that it becomes profitable to push. I'd love getting a 3-way allin versus AJo and 66 (or worse) here, which is going to happen more often than you think.

12-30-2005 02:19 PM

Re: $11: AKs early in game
 
PartyPoker, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t960)
UTG+1 (t785)
MP1 (t775)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t795)
Hero (t770)
CO (t785)
Button (t530)
SB (t720)
BB (t1110)

Preflop: Hero is in CO+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t15, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises t50</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises t150</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero FOLDS</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, Button calls t150, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>

Flop: (t410) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">MP1 bets t400</font>, Button calls t380

Turn: (t1190) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)


River: (t1190) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)



** Summary **
Main Pot: 1150 | Side Pot 1: 20
Board: [ Jh 6d 9h Th Jd ]
k97nv01 balance 735, lost 50 (folded)
mspe1960 balance 245, bet 550, collected 20, lost -530 [ Qs Qh ] [ two pairs, queens and jacks -- Qs,Qh,Jh,Jd,Th ]
febja balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
Tabbycat31 balance 795, didn't bet (folded)
PuffintheAM balance 770, didn't bet (folded)
IronRose111 balance 785, didn't bet (folded)
noscope balance 1150, bet 530, collected 1150, net +620 [ 6h 6c ] [ a full house, Sixes full of jacks -- Jh,Jd,6h,6c,6d ]
TPXNU137 balance 710, lost 10 (folded)
JIMG19 balance 1095, lost 15 (folded)
mindtricks23 balance 945, lost 15 (folded)



equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 36.9403 % 36.84% 00.10% { AhKh }
Hand 2: 43.2439 % 43.15% 00.10% { QhQs }
Hand 3: 19.8158 % 19.72% 00.10% { 6c6h }


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