Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t6175)
Button (t8310)
Hero (t8460)
BB (t8051)
UTG (t8890)
UTG+1 (t5600)
MP1 (t9280)
MP2 (t3030)
MP3 (t5444)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t210) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t6085</font>, Hero ??


Don't know much about villain. What you guys think?

Villains comments after the hand in white:

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crankyman [observer]: the plague of idiots continues to plauge me [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img](

crankyman [observer]: i was totall right, the moron had nothing


crankyman [observer]: his bet told me that he had nothing, which is exactly what he had
crankyman [observer]: well tiger, I do have an EPT final table, a WSOPC event win, and couple other sunday final tables so ...
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Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

Once you get here I think you have to call. You are calling around 4400 into around 8k.
Hand 1: 44.2414 % [ 00.44 00.00 ] { AhJh }
Hand 2: 55.7586 % [ 00.56 00.00 ] { AA-77, 44, 22, A7s }

Even against the bad range:
Hand 1: 38.5842 % [ 00.38 00.00 ] { AhJh }
Hand 2: 61.4158 % [ 00.61 00.00 ] { AA-JJ, 77, 44, 22, A7s }

That said, maybe we should try not to get here. I happened to be browsing and wanted to reply, give me a few minutes to think about a better line.

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

He sounds pretty dissapointed that you didn't call imho. You are either a slight dog / slight favorite vs an overpair, or 3:1 dog vs a set here. You are getting 1.7:1 on your money, and I certainly don't think he has the set here enough to warrant a fold. I make the call.

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

Looks like he really doesn't want you drawing, so maybe A7s or 77, 44, 22, or an overpair. I'd probably call and hope to suck out.

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

Why do I think Exit called?

Anyway, 10 clear cut outs (including the runner-runner str8 draw) makes Villain slightly better than 3:2 ... and you're getting 1.7:1, and there's always a fraction of a chance hitting an Ace might do it for you.

Clear call, though I can't tell if the double-semi-bluff is good play or overly aggressive.

Best,

McMelchior (Johan)

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

I find whenever someone brags about how awesome they are they... aren't.

That said, you've got to call 4400 to win about 7800, give or take. I don't see you as 2:1 or worse against any range he could have.

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

It's close, it really looks by the line that he has a set there, or an overpair. If the overpair is 88-TT, then a call is definitely right here, with a flush draw, 2 overs, and runner runner straight draw.

Then again, in his eyes, you don't likely have AA-QQ because those reraise pf, and JJ-88 would likely be worried of an overpair after his reraise on flop and would either call or fold, not reraise. A set might reraise there, but would likely flat call to try to get more money out of him, there are no made straights on the board, and a hand like A7 isn't likely to reraise either.

If I was villian, your range would either be flush draw, flush draw+pair of 2's, flush draw+straight draw (unlikely since you called raise though on both of those unless he had no reads on you) overpair that is not AA-QQ, and not much else (possibly set).

He either is bluffing huge here, or has you beat. I doubt you are getting odds on just the flush, and since you don't likely have overs as outs, its probably a good fold. Can't blame a call though. What did he have?

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

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Clear call, though I can't tell if the double-semi-bluff is good play or overly aggressive.


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Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

I called, he had QT, and i held up. Then he flipped out on me.



I think it was good, i can't imagine that he plays a set this hard, and i'm favorite vs pairs &lt;JJ, and not in terrible shape vs other hands either.

And i bet out, so that i could 3 bet if he raised me, but maybe that wasnt the best.

Re: Overcards + Flush draw Hmmmmm
 

that dude is the idiot. he should not be bluffing with QT facing a reraise. you played it fine exit.