2-5 NL Foxwoods, interesting JJ hand with a laggish passive table
 

Foxwoods 2-5 NL effective stacks 500
Hero is in the BB delt J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]j [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero's image is rockish as my normal TAGISH self

6 limpers and SB completes
Hero makes it 55 to go.
UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands)

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (Pot 190)
Hero bets 125$ BB hesitantly Calls MP Calls rather quickly

My thoughts is to push on a non threatinging turn
Turn is a 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot $565)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

Now whats my plan on the river if a 4 diamond falls?
Can I call a bet? If so how big?
If an over card falls what my plan?
If a blank falls can I bet the river?

So many possibilities. And I cant put these donks on a hand range....
I assume at least one of them made there flush is that a bad assumption?
I also would like feedback on my PF and Flop play.
I feel as if I under bet the flop and I wasnt sure about checking the turn.
Thanks is advance....

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UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands)

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Seems like you should be able to check/fold a non jack, non 5 river.

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UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands)

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Seems like you should be able to check/fold a non jack, non 5 river.

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No way.

Your hand is good more than 50% here.

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I think id call any bet of 100 or less on the river. Especially if a diamond hit..... i'd be getting 6-1 at that point and have no reads at all....

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UTG calls (a calling donk) MP +1 calls (ultra donk who never raises but always calls been playin 80% of hands)

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Seems like you should be able to check/fold a non jack, non 5 river.

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No way.

Your hand is good more than 50% here.

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the point was, if they're both calling donks, what are they going to raise here on the river?

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i would check the river, and see where the action is.

there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200.

if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig.
if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call.
if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy.

but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed.

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i would check the river, and see where the action is.

there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200.

if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig.
if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call.
if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy.

but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed.

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There is more than 550+ in the pot
I aggree id call up to 150ish probably less.
The 5 pairing helped me a bit as any two pair is now no good. I think its close like 60-40 my hand being good
And i say my hand is at 40%......

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i would check the river, and see where the action is.

there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200.

if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig.
if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call.
if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy.

but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed.

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There is more than 550+ in the pot
I aggree id call up to 150ish probably less.
The 5 pairing helped me a bit as any two pair is now no good. I think its close like 60-40 my hand being good
And i say my hand is at 40%......

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two pair? like 9-2? i don't think that's likely.
i think that card hurt you because there's a fairly good chance someone made a flush.

what ended up happening on the river? the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] fell and you took the pot away from an 8 high turned flush?

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i would check the river, and see where the action is.

there's already >$400 in the pot, so i doubt a made hand is going to bet <$150-200.

if BB bets $100-$150 and MP calls, i don't think yhig.
if BB bets $100-$150 and MP folds, i think you can call.
if BB checks and MP bets $100-$150, i would call and hope BB doesn't do anything crazy.

but, any bet over say $200 should force you to muck. i hate that this is three handed and that they each called a large bet on the flop. fwiw, i don't think your hand is good here 50% of the time 3 handed.

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There is more than 550+ in the pot
I aggree id call up to 150ish probably less.
The 5 pairing helped me a bit as any two pair is now no good. I think its close like 60-40 my hand being good
And i say my hand is at 40%......

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two pair? like 9-2? i don't think that's likely.
i think that card hurt you because there's a fairly good chance someone made a flush.

what ended up happening on the river? the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] fell and you took the pot away from an 8 high turned flush?

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The MP would call with just any two so i would put two pair by him.

RESULTS...
 

The river was checked around to my amazement
Villian 1 showed 44
Villian two showed 9 10
My JJ was good
Love the fish......