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netsurfer79 09-05-2005 06:23 PM

AKs with fd against two plrs - bet for value?
 
Here's a situation which I often get into problems with. I get big slick, but have a tendency of getting too aggressive with it. I've played at this table for about ~50 hands, and the BB seems to be a calling station - went to showdowns over 40%. UTG seems to be quite passive - on several occasions he's had TPTK but doesn't bet out.


Pacific Poker 2/4 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (8 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero checks</font>

Couple of questions:

Is it correct to bet out on the flop? (I reckoned, that since the flush arrives in ~35% + my overcards, it's positive EV, right?)

What about the turn? Should I have taken the free-card here? With four or more opponents or head-up I easily bet out, but I suspect I threw away one unnecessary bet there...

Betting the river is certainly out of the question..

Any thoughts..?

Bradyams 09-05-2005 06:32 PM

Re: AKs with fd against two plrs - bet for value?
 
This is good. You have ~15 outs on the turn (~33% equity), and there has to be some fold equity there. If they do call, and you don't improve on the river you can take a free showdown.

Pylos 09-05-2005 06:37 PM

Re: AKs with fd against two plrs - bet for value?
 
Yes, your equity on the flop is pretty large, considering that you havn't seen any aggression and you should push your edge. Depending on reads you may be able to get 2 callers to fold here with a bet, but I doubt it.

chiachu 09-05-2005 06:48 PM

Re: AKs with fd against two plrs - bet for value?
 
Preflop/Flop look good to me.
Id check behind on the turn and take the free card though.
Id also check behind on the river like you did.

numeri 09-05-2005 07:06 PM

Re: AKs with fd against two plrs - bet for value?
 
Flop is a definite bet, and the turn is close. You have 9 flush outs, 3 straight outs, (Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is a duplicate) and you can give yourself about 1.5 each for your overcards. I'm fine with a check behind or bet for value here.


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