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stragf 06-06-2005 11:05 AM

My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
Just did my first tenseat single table yesterday. Came in 2nd, but going in to final two, I had a good chip lead, and it just swung around and I placed 2nd.
I think I could have stayed alive longer, but opponnent rivered the flush in final hand. If someone has a bit of extra time, I would appreciate comments. Thanks.
Grant. History of heads up below. I am GFS309

Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (5585)
Seat 10: SJBird (2415)
SJBird posts small blind (150)
GFS309 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Jh, Tc ]
SJBird calls (150)
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, 4c, Kc ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3d ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird bets (300)
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
Board: [ 8d 4c Kc 3d ]
GFS309 balance 5285, lost 300 (folded)
SJBird balance 2715, bet 600, collected 900, net +300

***** Hand History for Game 2159769371 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:06:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (5285)
Seat 10: SJBird (2715)
GFS309 posts small blind (150)
SJBird posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 2c, 8d ]
GFS309 calls (150)
SJBird raises (300) to 600
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
GFS309 balance 4985, lost 300 (folded)
SJBird balance 3015, bet 600, collected 900, net +300

***** Hand History for Game 2159770791 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:06:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (4985)
Seat 10: SJBird (3015)
SJBird posts small blind (150)
GFS309 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Jd, Tc ]
SJBird raises (450) to 600
GFS309 calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2c, 7s, Ts ]
GFS309 bets (900)
SJBird raises (2415) to 2415
SJBird is all-In.
GFS309 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4515 with SJBird
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4515
Board: [ 2c 7s Ts ]
GFS309 balance 3485, lost 1500 (folded)
SJBird balance 4515, bet 3015, collected 4515, net +1500

***** Hand History for Game 2159775315 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:07:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (3485)
Seat 10: SJBird (4515)
GFS309 posts small blind (150)
SJBird posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 7d, 9d ]
GFS309 calls (150)
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3h, 3c, 2c ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 bets (300)
SJBird folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
Board: [ 3h 3c 2c 7c ]
GFS309 balance 3785, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
SJBird balance 4215, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2159777804 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:07:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (3785)
Seat 10: SJBird (4215)
SJBird posts small blind (150)
GFS309 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 6s, Ts ]
SJBird calls (150)
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9s, 7c, 6d ]
GFS309 bets (300)
SJBird raises (600) to 600
GFS309 calls (300)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird bets (1500)
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3300
Board: [ 9s 7c 6d 4c ]
GFS309 balance 2885, lost 900 (folded)
SJBird balance 5115, bet 2400, collected 3300, net +900

***** Hand History for Game 2159781529 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:08:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2885)
Seat 10: SJBird (5115)
GFS309 posts small blind (150)
SJBird posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 7c, 4h ]
GFS309 calls (150)
SJBird raises (300) to 600
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
GFS309 balance 2585, lost 300 (folded)
SJBird balance 5415, bet 600, collected 900, net +300

***** Hand History for Game 2159782562 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:08:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2585)
Seat 10: SJBird (5415)
SJBird posts small blind (150)
GFS309 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 2c, Qs ]
SJBird raises (450) to 600
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
GFS309 balance 2285, lost 300 (folded)
SJBird balance 5715, bet 600, collected 900, net +300

***** Hand History for Game 2159783548 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:09:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2285)
Seat 10: SJBird (5715)
GFS309 posts small blind (150)
SJBird posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 4c, 5c ]
GFS309 calls (150)
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, Kd, Qh ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 5d ]
SJBird bets (300)
GFS309 calls (300)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200
Board: [ Td Kd Qh 6s 5d ]
GFS309 balance 1685, lost 600 [ 4c 5c ] [ a pair of fives -- Kd,Qh,Td,5c,5d ]
SJBird balance 6315, bet 600, collected 1200, net +600 [ 8c Qs ] [ a pair of queens -- Kd,Qs,Qh,Td,8c ]

***** Hand History for Game 2159786172 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:09:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1685)
Seat 10: SJBird (6315)
SJBird posts small blind (200)
GFS309 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Kh, 7s ]
SJBird folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
GFS309 balance 1885, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
SJBird balance 6115, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2159787246 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:09:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1885)
Seat 10: SJBird (6115)
GFS309 posts small blind (200)
SJBird posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Qh, 7d ]
GFS309 calls (200)
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, Ac, 5d ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 800
Board: [ Kh Ac 5d Ah Jc ]
GFS309 balance 1485, lost 400 [ Qh 7d ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Kh,Qh,Jc ]
SJBird balance 6515, bet 400, collected 800, net +400 [ 5c 6d ] [ two pairs, aces and fives -- Ac,Ah,Kh,5c,5d ]

***** Hand History for Game 2159789537 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:10:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1485)
Seat 10: SJBird (6515)
SJBird posts small blind (200)
GFS309 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 9c, 8s ]
SJBird calls (200)
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 7c, Jh ]
GFS309 bets (1085)
GFS309 is all-In.
SJBird folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1885 with GFS309
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1885
Board: [ Td 7c Jh ]
GFS309 balance 1885, bet 1485, collected 1885, net +400
SJBird balance 6115, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2159791677 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:10:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1885)
Seat 10: SJBird (6115)
GFS309 posts small blind (200)
SJBird posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 4h, 3s ]
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
GFS309 balance 1685, lost 200 (folded)
SJBird balance 6315, bet 400, collected 600, net +200

***** Hand History for Game 2159792611 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:10:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1685)
Seat 10: SJBird (6315)
SJBird posts small blind (200)
GFS309 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 3d, 7s ]
SJBird calls (200)
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 4d, 8s ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7d ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Ad ]
GFS309 bets (400)
SJBird folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200
Board: [ 6d 4d 8s 7d Ad ]
GFS309 balance 2085, bet 800, collected 1200, net +400
SJBird balance 5915, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2159796060 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:11:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2085)
Seat 10: SJBird (5915)
GFS309 posts small blind (200)
SJBird posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 6s, 2s ]
GFS309 calls (200)
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, Tc, 3s ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qh ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9h ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 800
Board: [ 4h Tc 3s Qh 9h ]
GFS309 balance 1685, lost 400 [ 6s 2s ] [ high card queen -- Qh,Tc,9h,6s,4h ]
SJBird balance 6315, bet 400, collected 800, net +400 [ 3h 7d ] [ a pair of threes -- Qh,Tc,9h,3h,3s ]

***** Hand History for Game 2159798576 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:12:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1685)
Seat 10: SJBird (6315)
SJBird posts small blind (200)
GFS309 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 7d, 8d ]
SJBird raises (600) to 800
GFS309 calls (400)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, Ts, 7h ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qd ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
GFS309 checks.
SJBird checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1600
Board: [ Kh Ts 7h Qd 3d ]
GFS309 balance 2485, bet 800, collected 1600, net +800 [ 7d 8d ] [ a pair of sevens -- Kh,Qd,Ts,7d,7h ]
SJBird balance 5515, lost 800 [ 5s 5c ] [ a pair of fives -- Kh,Qd,Ts,5s,5c ]

***** Hand History for Game 2159801589 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:12:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2485)
Seat 10: SJBird (5515)
GFS309 posts small blind (200)
SJBird posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 4h, 5d ]
GFS309 calls (200)
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Ks, 8h ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ad ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Kd ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 800
Board: [ Ts Ks 8h Ad Kd ]
GFS309 balance 2085, lost 400 [ 4h 5d ] [ a pair of kings -- Ad,Ks,Kd,Ts,8h ]
SJBird balance 5915, bet 400, collected 800, net +400 [ Qd 8d ] [ two pairs, kings and eights -- Ad,Ks,Kd,8d,8h ]

***** Hand History for Game 2159804007 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:13:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2085)
Seat 10: SJBird (5915)
SJBird posts small blind (200)
GFS309 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 6c, 3d ]
SJBird folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
GFS309 balance 2285, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
SJBird balance 5715, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2159804991 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:13:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2285)
Seat 10: SJBird (5715)
GFS309 posts small blind (200)
SJBird posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Kd, 8c ]
GFS309 calls (200)
SJBird checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 4d, Qh ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
SJBird bets (400)
GFS309 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200
Board: [ Qc 4d Qh Tc ]
GFS309 balance 1885, lost 400 (folded)
SJBird balance 6115, bet 800, collected 1200, net +400

***** Hand History for Game 2159808055 *****
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:14:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (1885)
Seat 10: SJBird (6115)
SJBird posts small blind (250)
GFS309 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ 6d, Kc ]
SJBird folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 750
GFS309 balance 2135, bet 500, collected 750, net +250
SJBird balance 5865, lost 250 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2159809147 *****
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:14:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (2135)
Seat 10: SJBird (5865)
GFS309 posts small blind (250)
SJBird posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Th, Ah ]
GFS309 raises (750) to 1000
SJBird calls (500)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, 6c, Ac ]
SJBird checks.
GFS309 bets (1135)
GFS309 is all-In.
SJBird calls (1135)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
Creating Main Pot with $4270 with GFS309
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4270 |
Board: [ Qc 6c Ac 6s 4c ]
GFS309 balance 0, lost 2135 [ Th Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and sixes -- Ah,Ac,Qc,6c,6s ]
SJBird balance 8000, bet 2135, collected 4270, net +2135 [ 2s 2c ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ac,Qc,6c,4c,2c ]

Phil Van Sexton 06-06-2005 11:19 AM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
I had to stop reading after the 3rd hand. Wow. This fold is beyond horrible.

Not to pry, but what was your poker background before your foray in single table tournaments?


***** Hand History for Game 2159770791 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12836521) - Sun Jun 05 16:06:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 14107 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 9: GFS309 (4985)
Seat 10: SJBird (3015)
SJBird posts small blind (150)
GFS309 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Jd, Tc ]
SJBird raises (450) to 600
GFS309 calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2c, 7s, Ts ]
GFS309 bets (900)
SJBird raises (2415) to 2415
SJBird is all-In.
GFS309 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $4515 with SJBird
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4515
Board: [ 2c 7s Ts ]
GFS309 balance 3485, lost 1500 (folded)
SJBird balance 4515, bet 3015, collected 4515, net +1500

stragf 06-06-2005 11:42 AM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
I'm not certain one poorly played hand should taint my entire history..LOL. I play 66seat tourneys at a casino, and of the five I have played, I have made final table 3 times, and been 16 and 12th the other two, so I can't be that "terrible."
Anyways, I do appreciate the input. In this hand, I'm chip leader and with the big bet back over the top, I suspected she was sitting on either a set, or tp pair. I had top pair on the board with tens, and J kicker, but I wasn't confident, and that is likely due to limited tournament play. Why is that such a bad fold? Because it is heads up and her likliehood of being wired is slim? That's whay I requested input. The total of all my other play is 3-6 live, and I hold my own quite nicely. I have been having some troble with .50/$1 or $1//$2 online, but it is very loose. I tend to play quite tight, and I am not sure when to loosen up in tourneys. Thanks and carry on...

Freudian 06-06-2005 11:48 AM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
It is a horrible fold. Headsup you can't fold top pair. Push push push.

yid3655 06-06-2005 11:50 AM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
Have to agree with the other replies, heads up top pair is massive

octaveshift 06-06-2005 11:58 AM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
From what I saw, it looks like you need to be raising more PF with hands like JT, and reraising instead of calling.

This is HU with massive blinds. You win by making the other guy fold more.

stragf 06-06-2005 11:58 AM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
OK. There is a consensus here. So top pair, go hard is what I hear. So if I'm heads up, and I am dealt 2/8, and I play because I'm on the BB, and the flop is 3/6/8, I should push my eights because they are top pair?. Certainly that would only work heads up, and not in a multiway? Thanks for the comments. Geez guys, I did take 2nd.... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Karak567 06-06-2005 12:02 PM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
You want the simple recipe to winning heads up?

Push Jx, Qx, Kx and Ax.

Easy.

That's too complicated?

Then push every hand.

That's better than bleeding chips.

No, I'm not kidding.

Freudian 06-06-2005 12:03 PM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
Headsup is about non-stop aggression. You only take your foot off the accelerate when you have crap preflop (you should push most hands when blinds are big enough though) or when you totally miss a flop. I often push with middle and bottom pair on the flop.

octaveshift 06-06-2005 12:08 PM

Re: My First SNG single table...Comments on my heads up???
 
[ QUOTE ]
Geez guys, I did take 2nd.... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Sorry, to rain on your parade but that's meaningless. I have seen total donkeys take first before. It means nothing. I am surprised you made it past the bubble being this passive.

What is abundantly clear is that you are far, far, far, too passive and straightforward while heads up. Your opponent clearly had a read on you.

If I had my choice between playing a total maniac HU and a player like you, I'd take you every time. (Given the HH above.)


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