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You're calling somebody a tool? I hope that's not your picture. LOL
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Here is a radical idea, don't be a tool. Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.

Yes the other guy was in the wrong and I would have screamed bloody murder but if you had better table manners, you wouldn't be in the situation in the first place.

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Here is a radical idea, don't be a tool. Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.


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Steamboat is correct. If faced with the same situation, instead of turning over the other card, I would just say, "I knew an ass tool like you would be limping in with Ace-Rag."
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I've seen this at the Bellagio too. The dealer said that to win the pot in a showdown, you have to show both cards. However, this situation was not at a showdown. The offending player pulled cards out of the muck.

I agree, bad form to touch the muck and a poor dealer to allow it to happen without mention. Not enough of a violation to get in the dealers face though, unless it happened again.

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When I was playing at the Wynn, somebody attempted to only show one card, and the dealer explained that the camera has to see both. This wasn't enforced consistantly, and this was on a showndown hand, so it may be totally different.

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It is totally different. In most cardrooms, hand winning at showdown has to be revealed. If the hand is won without showdown you can show whatever you want and noone has the right to ask to see another card.

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First, don't show the ace. It's not necessary, and those ppl. who just show one card are usually lame. Second, I'd ask the dealer, "Is the player allowed to go into the muck and retrieve cards to look at?" Play it from there.

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so i'm playing 5/10 limit at winstar casino in oklahoma and this hand comes up. i'm in the pot with a guy who i can tell is a solid player, and knows better than this. flop is A-high, i bet, he calls. turn is a blank, i bet again, and he folds. so he knows that i'm not just trying to push him around, and maybe to get him to fold a stronger hand later, i show an A, with my other card face down as i throw my cards in. before the dealer can take the cards and reshuffle, he grabs my face down card and turns it up(my hand was A6o, and i really didn't want him seeing my hand). well, i just kind of sit there with this befuddled look on my face, and ramble something, and everyone just kind of goes on with their business. i was so thrown off by what he did, i didn't even know what to say or do, and play pretty much just went on from there with not much being said. the dealer didn't even say anything. i didn't want to make a huge ordeal about it, as i was having a good time, and it was a pretty friendly table, but i don't think that play should be tolerated.
what do you think should be done in that situation?

mflo

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1 - I don't know why you're turning over a card in a 5/10 game. But if you feel the need to do it, then its fine and turning over just one is fine as well. Ignore the "you're a tool" comments.

2 - some card rooms have a "show one card, show both" rule. make sure you're aware of this if you want to show just one card.

3 - villain is so incredibly in the wrong its not even funny. never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever touch another players cards.

4 - story to follow regarding a similar situation. If you don't care about the story, then this post is done, if you want the story, here you go.

Playing 4/8 Kill and its a fantastic wonderful gift from the poker gods table. Everyone is laughing and flinging chips and I'm getting enough good cards that I don't seem like a total rock and we're all having a merry time. New guy sits down and is a little "rough around the edges." But he's trying to join the festivities. He raises from late position and somewhat quietly announces "I have to, pocket Kings" loud enough for half the table to hear. Flop is K high. He bets and the little old lady to my left (who is just a chip spewing sweetheart) looks at him. He says again "I just made top set, you should fold." She folds. He shows his cards to the fat lady to his left. And then starts to muck them. Little old lady was in seat 10 and she reaches out and intercepts the cards on the way to the muck. As she's starting to flip them up the rough guy reaches out and grabs her hand. He does it so quickly that it looked like he was slapping her (he wasn't). Little old lady almost starts to cry. The dealer is dumbfounded because it happened so fast. The guy and the lady start yelling at each other, the dealer calls the floor and while the floor is on his way over the lady in seat 1 (who just happens to be the daughter of the old lady in seat 10) joins the argument "you don't ever hit a woman. You just hit my F-in mom. I'm going to f-in kill you!" Before the floor can get there the old lady has a few tears going but is quiet and now the rough guy and the lady in seat 1 are discussing meeting in the parking lot for a brawl. I have NEVER seen anything like it.
They finally settle things down.
The old lady gets a warning about grabbing other peoples cards. the rough guy gets a seat at a new table and the lady in seat one is asked to take a 10 minute break to cool down.
From my perspective, the worst part is that it totally ruined the vibe of the table. It never was quite the same chip spewing party the rest of the night. so sad.

FishNChips

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4 - story to follow regarding a similar situation.

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You do realize that the entire table had the right (in many/most casinos) to see his hand?

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4 - story to follow regarding a similar situation.

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You do realize that the entire table had the right (in many/most casinos) to see his hand?

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But not the right to grab the cards. You ask the dealer to expose them. Everyone seems to have been wrong in this woeful tale.

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2nd to what steamboatin said

opponent is solid player - he reads you correctly and your response is to confirm his suspicion? fix this leak before concerning yourself with table manners of the other players(and i dont buy the arguement you are using this to your advantage later in the session)

however - i would never touch another players cards regardless of the situation

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i absolutely WAS using this play to my advantage.

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Here is a radical idea, don't be a tool. Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.


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Steamboat is correct. If faced with the same situation, instead of turning over the other card, I would just say, "I knew an ass tool like you would be limping in with Ace-Rag."
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it's not like i limped in UTG. give me a break.