50-100 shorthanded AA hand.
 

4 handed on UB. I have AsAh on button. UTG opens for 350. I call, BB tags along. 6s6d4s flop. BB leads for 1100, UTG folds. BB has 10500 left, I have him covered. BB is overaggro to the point of being bad. I have only been playing for a couple of orbits and am a relative unknown to the other players. I thought raising here was best. Thoughts?

- Evan

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I'm only a 2/4 nl full ring player with little shorthanded experience. What is raising here going to accomplish? This is a way ahead or way behind situation. If he has an overpair it's possible he'll bet the rest of his chips if he is over aggressive as you describe.

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i obviously know who you are referring to, and knowing that he will bet pot 90% of the time after raising preflop and also he likes to bluff you til the end i would flat call him here and let him give his $ to you.

However, I think I would raise him preflop, because if you saw my AA hand vs him he is easy to stack off, even if he's got junk in the trunk.

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This player is aggressive enough that if I get my money in on the flop Ill be ahead a good portion of the time. His possible hand range is pretty large. 57, spade draws, smaller overpairs, 6's, etc. My reasoning was that if I just call, there are a hell of a lot of cards Im not going to like on the turn. But Im not all that enthusiastic about raising either. Anyone else?

Evan

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UTG opens for 350. I call, BB tags along.

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Yea I did see yours, nh. If he was the pfr raiser I would have popped it back up, he was the bb though. I think a flat call might freeze him up on the turn if he doesnt hit to beat ne, but Im not sure. Ill also be in the position of guessing if I do that and a spade or straight card or a 4 falls.

-Evan

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I'm only a 2/4 nl full ring player with little shorthanded experience. What is raising here going to accomplish? This is a way ahead or way behind situation. If he has an overpair it's possible he'll bet the rest of his chips if he is over aggressive as you describe.

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I think the purpose of a raise here is to try and define BB's hand, calling here would give little information about BB's hand, since BB is so overaggro he could be betting just about anything, including another overpair, a six, a boat, a flush draw/straight draw, or total air.

And there's alot of cards on could come on the turn that you really don't like and make calling a big bet against aggro BB that much tougher, given his range of hands.

Although I admit, I'm not sure what I'd do, if BB just calls or comes over the top of the flop raise. I think that depends largely on the table dynamics at the the time and how much BB is backing down to resistance.

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How can people be so bad and are playing 50/100?

Must be one of those celebrity poker players....

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I like thatwacokid's line. His style of play will basically allow you to stack him off by the river. If you raise, is he aggro enough to push with spades? He knows his table image he gives off, he might take it as you're trying to re-steal perhaps. This limit is too high for me though, so my line of reasoning might be off. But I believe check-calling is best, perhaps a raise off the turn if a brick hits and you feel more confident with your hand.

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now that I think about it, even he might be scared of a smooth call on that flop to the point where he checks on the turn. From what I've seen from him, if you raise here he will still call with a gutshot, as I've seen him do 2 or 3 times tonight.

Raising or calling might work here, it really depends on what he has, which could be any 2 cards. Either way, this situation is way way +EV.

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Hell get his money in with far less than a 6....

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He does quite well at 300/600 limit from what I have seen.

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i'm sorry i misread your post, i thought he was the raiser. Well in that case: he likes to bet pot on most small flops, trying to scare people. I still think he could have anything, and would probably smooth call him here.

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Would he lead with trips/boat? Or is he the type to trap? Since he is over aggressive I would think lead but maybe not...

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regarding his image, I think it would be dumb if he didn't lead out with those as well

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He does quite well at 300/600 limit from what I have seen.

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Is it Catchoftheday? If it is, then I think raising here is pretty good, even if he reraises all-in you're probably still ahead of most hands he could have here.

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i would raise here mainly for a better read. if villain has a 6, he's bound to pop you back and you can go on from there. if villain is on a draw/over-pr, than you don't wanna call him down and let him get away cheap.

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It would kill me to blow my whole stack slow playing AA. I understand what you are trying to do but you commit yourself to calling it down quite possibly for your whole stack. In a shorthanded game he could be playing small suited or unsuited connectors. If you are playing in that game you know the math and the risk you take. If I am going to play a big pot I want to be raising it not calling it.

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If I am going to play a big pot I want to be raising it not calling it.

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Why? I think the opposite.

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I agree with you. The general concept of being the aggressor is misapplied here.

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If I am going to play a big pot I want to be raising it not calling it.

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Why? I think the opposite.

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I agree. Villain is described as "overaggro to the point of being bad," so I see no reason to take the initiative away from him on the flop. AA is an absolute monster four-handed; let villain keep firing, as he will do so with countless hands that hero has crushed.

If you come over the top and take the betting lead away from him, however, you'll likely only get the money in on later streets if you're behind.

Evanski has the A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], so a spaid turn wouldn't be an absolute disaster. I like a smooth call on the flop, hoping for a K, Q or J to fall on the turn that will make villain top pair (wishful thinking, I know, but if he has AK/AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ and hits top pair on the turn, we get his stack), and then raise his inevitable turn bet all-in.

An argument could certainly be made for a reraise preflop, of course, but if villain is one of the three players I'm thinking of, I think I'd rather let them do the betting for me postflop.

(By the way, the 50-100 NL game was craaaazy good for a while yesterday while I was watching; did anyone else see Erin-whats-his-face tilt off about $50K or so to Mahatma in the span of half an hour, tops? Backing second and third button w/ his stack, CR-bluffing the turn into the nuts w/ pure air, just effing unreal. One hand Erin raises pf, Mahatma reraises, flop Jxx, Erin pots it, Mahatma minraises, Erin calls. Turn pairs the board, Erin pushes, Mahatma instacalls, Erin has J8o for jacks up Mahatma JJ to scoop $40K or so. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img])

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you can defend either way. i would typically call against a hyper-aggro who fires the turn a lot. i'll take my bluff and semibluff equity since he'll be firing on vapor a good percentage of the time and will be sorely tempted to fire again. against a flop hyper-aggro who does not fire much on the turn (and there are a lot of those on UB), i like the raise. most will call you with a draw then checkfold the turn, and you have the As redraw if the flush gets there and he fires into you.

or just reraise preflop.

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Not to hijack the thread, but I did see most of that 50-100 UB game yesterday, and it was CRAZY!! That 40k pot was unreal. I was trying to get a hold of my brother (a regular in that game), but alas, he had to work. Mahatma bought in for 10k and by the time I had to leave he had 55k, most of that from a 20 minute period. I think Erin went on tilt after betting 14k (all-in) into a 5k pot with Q10 on a 10 5 4 flop, only to have Mahatma (has her covered) call with 10 5, and catch a 5 on the turn to take it down. Dirty.

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