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SomethingClever 12-28-2005 12:53 AM

3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
Button is like 85/10/1 over a decent sample, with a WTSD of like 52. He plays every hand and seriously loves donkbetting. He keeps sucking out on me.

I know the rule of thumb is don't bluff the unbluffable, but, two things:

1) The only street he had folded yet was the river.
2) This could be a value bet.

How's this?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (6.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>...

yellowjack 12-28-2005 01:01 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
It looked quite lag at first, but I think it's fine.

Edited to add: Referring to river bet.

gonzopro 12-28-2005 01:01 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
Check the turn and bet the river. Why bet the turn if you know he will not fold? There is enough value in a river bet given the read, but the turn bet sucks IMO.

Cumulonimbus 12-28-2005 01:13 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
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Check the turn and bet the river. Why bet the turn if you know he will not fold? There is enough value in a river bet given the read, but the turn bet sucks IMO.

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There's a good chance that the turn bet is for value.

A_C_Slater 12-28-2005 01:20 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
Is raisng QJo from the SB vs two limpers (1 CS) standard for you?

SomethingClever 12-28-2005 01:31 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
Yes. Especially with Button in the hand.

Redd 12-28-2005 01:41 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
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Check the turn and bet the river. Why bet the turn if you know he will not fold? There is enough value in a river bet given the read, but the turn bet sucks IMO.

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There's a good chance that the turn bet is for value.

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Yeah, IMHO there's a very good chance that this bet is for value.

edit: River too, really; there's not a very good chance he'll pay off but a decent chance that we're ahead here. Most of the winning hands that will call a river bet would have made themselves known earlier on.

oxymoron 12-28-2005 01:42 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
meh I don't like it. Smells like tilt.

Redd 12-28-2005 01:48 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
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meh I don't like it. Smells like tilt.

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'Smells like tilt' doesn't convince me of anything. Could you elaborate?

imported_leader 12-28-2005 01:54 AM

Re: 3rd barrel against massive donkey
 
36,080 games 0.361 secs 99,944 games/sec

Board: 2h 6c Ah 6h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 36.0685 % 32.23% 03.84% { QcJd }
Hand 2: 63.9315 % 60.09% 03.84% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 73s+, 62s+, 52s+, 43s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J3o+, T5o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }

This is quite generous and you're not doing to well. Since his WTSD is 50 we can probably assume he's folding some of this crap on the flop. Therefore, I wouldn't bet the turn. If he bets, fold. If it's checked though and you get that river, you need to assess his looseness/aggressiveness. Will he bluff more then call. You can not bet/call this IMO. Therefore, if you can't trust his raise, c/c. My default would be c/c.


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