does clutch exist?
 

after ortizzle's performance last season, and pujols's this year, one would have to think that clutch DOES exist.

also, a-rod ALWAYS does crap when the games on the line, but pads his stats in blowouts.

Just throwing it out there.

Can anyone find any statistical analysis on this??

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Re: does clutch exist?
 

Probably not. I could buy "choking" much more easily.

There's been plenty of studies, but I'm too lazy to look anything up. Try Google.

Re: does clutch exist?
 

The strongest example of clutch I can think of is Tiger.

Re: does clutch exist?
 

do you even know arods postseason stats?



personally i think the whole "clutch" argument is stupid, everyone knows why its bullshit to say "oh hes clutch" about 2 games but i do believe there are people who choke in big spots. in fact i know that in big spots some players arent equipped to deal with it and will perform badly. but saying some player is really clutch is stupid. do you seeee whyyyy

Re: does clutch exist?
 

If some people can choke in big spots, others can excel in big spots. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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If some people can choke in big spots, others can excel in big spots. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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You can't temporarily improve your power, your eyesight or whatever in certain situations, can you? Unless your not trying hard the rest of the time.

But I could see how someone could try too much or just [censored] their pants in general important at bats.

Re: does clutch exist?
 

clark i was playing devil's advocate to a forum of stat nerds (no offense, i'm one too).

basically, i can see how pressure will make someone tremble, overthink etc. causing them to be worse and "choke."

however, how can this make someone better? are they trying harder when the game is on the line?? explain your theory of cant have one without the other.

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If some people can choke in big spots, others can excel in big spots. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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You can't temporarily improve your power, your eyesight or whatever in certain situations, can you? Unless your not trying hard the rest of the time.

But I could see how someone could try too much or just [censored] their pants in general important at bats.

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I think you definitely can focus more in key situations. Do you think Chris Carpenter was as focused in his last 3-4 regular season starts when nothing mattered as he was the rest of the year, or in the playoffs?

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are they trying harder when the game is on the line??

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Of course they are.

And I'm quite certain people are going to yell about this stance, but I don't particularly care. There are definitely chokers and there are definitely "finishers".

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If some people can choke in big spots, others can excel in big spots. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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You can't temporarily improve your power, your eyesight or whatever in certain situations, can you? Unless your not trying hard the rest of the time.

But I could see how someone could try too much or just [censored] their pants in general important at bats.

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I think you definitely can focus more in key situations. Do you think Chris Carpenter was as focused in his last 3-4 regular season starts when nothing mattered as he was the rest of the year, or in the playoffs?

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This is more just not performing to his full capabilities when he doesn't need to. Clutch really isn't about 'trying harder'.