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Aaron W. 12-07-2005 08:09 PM

What else am I doing with these aces??
 
The villains are different from the other hand. BB is relatively new, but has shown signs of aggression. This is about the third or fourth time he's donked into the preflop raiser on the flop.

Value bet the turn (and worry about the check-raise when it happens)? Check behind to try to induce a river bluff (betting the river if he checks to you again)?

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero...

gharp 12-07-2005 08:13 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
Check behind. River a 4!

stlip 12-07-2005 08:19 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
Check, even if he somehow doesn't have a heart he's got almost as many outs to chop as you have to improve to a boat or quads and be sure of winning the hand.

Jinx 12-07-2005 08:34 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
Bet.

12-07-2005 08:34 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
if you're going to pay off a river bet, i like betting the turn as a free showdown bet. if he raises, you can draw to your boat and fold the river UI. if not, check behind UI on river.

Aaron W. 12-07-2005 08:37 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
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if you're going to pay off a river bet, i like betting the turn as a free showdown bet. if he raises, you can draw to your boat and fold the river UI. if not, check behind UI on river.

[/ QUOTE ]

So you like putting yourself in a position to lose two bets when behind and win one when you're ahead instead of putting yourself in position to lose one bet when you're behind and win one when you're ahead?

ArturiusX 12-07-2005 08:55 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
Easy bet.

LoaferGee12 12-07-2005 08:59 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
I bet the turn and river here, unless a heart falls on the river. I don't see this guy folding a pair very often.

Oh yeah, another good part about betting is your saving yourself from a split the times he folds and the river hearts.

POKhER 12-07-2005 09:01 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
Check or bet.

Were 3.6:1 to improve (10 outs) and we may be ahead, he may also fold.

So bet is for value &amp; to make him fold...

On the other hand you can check as your behind every heart, But if you check a weak heart WILL GO TO SHOWDOWN. if you beat he may fold one.

HajiShirazu 12-07-2005 09:04 PM

Re: What else am I doing with these aces??
 
You need to bet here to charge all the hands that will get half the pot off of you if another heart falls on the river, and/or possibly get called down by worse hands. If you get checkraised call and fold the river.
The exception is if you knew this guy was big on bluffing and you would have to call his c/r+ riv lead or river donkbet. Then you could consider a check.


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