QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

Just sat down so no reads on anyone. What do you do on the turn (and river if you call the turn)?

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero??

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

i'll call that with no reads.

can't comment on river 'til i see it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

With no reads do you feel like there is an 8:1 chance he is value betting one of those many draws?

Could have been doing so on the flop and made his straight on the turn. I think you are getting enough to call and check/call on the river.

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

If you call the turn and check/call the river UI the effective odds that you are getting are about 9:2 or 4.5:1.

So I would feel inclined to fold to the turn raise here.

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

What range of hands do you think villain will raise with here? Theres two flush draws out and a striaght draw. I think this makes it a harder decision.

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

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i'll call that with no reads.

can't comment on river 'til i see it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ok, then assume you call the turn and something like the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits. Do you check/call?

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

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i'll call that with no reads.

can't comment on river 'til i see it [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Ok, then assume you call the turn and something like the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hits. Do you check/call?

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i'd probably check/call anything that is a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

though looking back on the hand, i can see arguments for folding the turn with a K and straight draws coming in against an unknown.

the other line possible is to bet a non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and fold to a raise, but i never like that line HU on the river.

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

I think you are drawing dead here. I seems like he have a pair of K, a set or a straight. The best you could hope for is a semi-bluff with a open straight draw (unlikely) or a full-blown bluff (even more unliky).

Let´s say you are in front 5% of the times here. If you give this one up you´ll lose 0,4 big bet. And you have to call 2 big bets to se the river. You have 4 % of hitting the Q on the river, but with the st8 draw i would say that it would only make you a winner 2% of the times.

So let´s say have 6% pot equity, that´s around 0,5 big bet.

Fold the bastard.

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

I call down no matter what I think.

Re: QQ check/raised on turn What do you do?
 

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If you call the turn and check/call the river UI the effective odds that you are getting are about 9:2 or 4.5:1.

So I would feel inclined to fold to the turn raise here.

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yep,

in theory i dont think that the villain is semibluffraising a flush draw or a straight draw or just plain bluffing often enough to make this call.

but in practice i allways call and check/call the river [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]