Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

No limit.

Player A bets what appears to be $100 (row of redbirds). Player B asks how much? Player A then "proves the stack" by cutting it into 4 stacks of 5 checks then stacks it back up.

Player B waits about 30 seconds then takes a row of red from his stack and places it next to player A's bet. However he did not release his hand and after about 5 seconds, returns it to his stack and announces "fold".

Is this a call or not and why?

KC

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

However he did not release his hand and after about 5 seconds

it shouldn't be a call for the above reason. It's pretty stupid, though. Normally, you want to say "I'm not calling, i'm just measuring the stack" or something along those lines.

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

It matters if your club has a forward motion rule. In my club this would be a call, as if you move forward with chips, it's a call.

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However he did not release his hand and after about 5 seconds

it shouldn't be a call for the above reason. It's pretty stupid, though. Normally, you want to say "I'm not calling, i'm just measuring the stack" or something along those lines.

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I would have assumed that since Player A's chips are now in the middle of the table (i.e. "the playing zone"), that Player B would have been considered to have called by placing his chips there as well.

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However he did not release his hand and after about 5 seconds

it shouldn't be a call for the above reason. It's pretty stupid, though. Normally, you want to say "I'm not calling, i'm just measuring the stack" or something along those lines.

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I would have assumed that since Player A's chips are now in the middle of the table (i.e. "the playing zone"), that Player B would have been considered to have called by placing his chips there as well.

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That's what I'd tend to say as well.

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

Generally, moving your chips forward is considered a bet.
That is why most people cut chips in a horizontal side-to-side motion.

To actually place your chips in the pot next to other chips?
This isn't chess, where it matters if you release your piece or not.

If a cardroom doesn't consider something like that a bet, then I'll just wave my chips continually over the pot, while I make my decision to call or not. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

It is ALWAYS HOUSE DEPENDENT!!

While many of us would say it is a bet by general rules of poker and ethics, it is always up to the way the place in question rules. Some rooms have a forward motion rule, some dont. In some rooms, if you have 1 single chip even in your hand and move your hand to you cards or beyond, you have just made a bet. You will be forced to complete that action.
Releasing chips is not required.

Still other houses allow forward motion with chips in hand and until a chip is realeased in the general "forward area" betond cards there is no bet. This allows too much in the way have "shots" being taken. But is again the house rule.

So, as always, the answer is: "It depends".

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

We have had problems with this at our home game too so we have instituted a pseudo-chess rule where if you still have your hands on the chip(s) then you are not committed. Although if I am playing at a casino I prefer the forward motion rule and would be pissed if he then said "I'm folding".

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

Although I understand from the replies that it is house dependent, this should in my opinion always constitute a call / bet. If you move your chips forward, and wait, what are you doing? Ans: Looking for information. Information from people yet to act, information from the person who made the bet. You should not be able to fake-out the pot so blatantly by moving chips forward and back into &out of the pot, whether you take your finger off or not. You need to pay for such info, and then its too late...

Re: Floor!!! what\'s the ruling???
 

How's this for "house dependent"?:

In the room where I work, you can bring that stack out, but if you place it on the table, it's staying in the pot. Same thing if you slide the stack out there--if the bottom chip hits the table, you just called.