Following your gut
 

I know I'll get flamed for the call, and in hindsight I don't like it myself. BB is looooooooose, and his timing to do the C/R just screamed "I HAVE A FLUSH DRAW" to me.

I didn't think enough before pressing the middle button, I just went "yer on a flush draw, I call". This hand sucks, but it made me think about some things...


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t415)
MP1 (t1145)
MP2 (t780)
CO (t2030)
Hero (t810)
SB (t795)
BB (t2025)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t325) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t700</font>, Hero calls t410 (All-In).

I have a few questions for you guys...

1. Do you ever go with a "read" when you're playing?
2. Assuming my read was correct and he only had a flush draw, is the call correct?

Re: Following your gut
 

Why would you call even if he is on a 'flush draw', as he has at least 12 outs to beat you, and possibly 15?

Plus it could be a flush draw with a 5, as well. I don't get why you did this.

Re: Following your gut
 

I very rarely make calls like this. It has to be someone that pushed me out of enough pots that he has to do it with air a fair share of the times. I'd guess I make it once every 200 SnGs or even more seldom. And I never do it before at least level 4-5.

I don't know how you can specifically put him on a flushdraw, 99-JJ, A5 etc are all possibilites.

Re: Following your gut
 

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Why would you call even if he is on a 'flush draw', as he has at least 12 outs to beat you, and possibly 15?

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Just to make it clear: I *know* it was a stupid play.

*Assuming* he has 15 outs, he's a slight favorite to win the hand (55/45, right?). The pot odds are just right for a call if we assume he has only a flush draw + 2 live cards. I know my call is wrong, I'm just wondering about the pot odds part of it...

Re: Following your gut
 

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Why would you call even if he is on a 'flush draw', as he has at least 12 outs to beat you, and possibly 15?

Plus it could be a flush draw with a 5, as well. I don't get why you did this.

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Ummm... cause he's calling 410 to win 1685?

Super-easy call for me. I don't even need a read to take this line. Take a shot on the flop, sigh when villain pushes, and just call.

Re: Following your gut
 

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Ummm... cause he's calling 410 to win 1685?

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As I said, the pot odds are just right if my read is correct, but I'm wondering if the call is correct this being a SnG and not a ring game.

Re: Following your gut
 

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Ummm... cause he's calling 410 to win 1685?

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As I said, the pot odds are just right if my read is correct, but I'm wondering if the call is correct this being a SnG and not a ring game.

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The ICM correction is minor at this point. Still a call to me.

Re: Following your gut
 

You are getting 3:1 to call the all-in. It has more to do with generous pot odds then gut instinct I would think. Even if he flipped up TT, you don't really mind calling here. Add in the times that he is either on a draw or just on a bad bluff and you figure to have at least 30% equity here. I would guess something between 30-35%.

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Why would you call even if he is on a 'flush draw', as he has at least 12 outs to beat you, and possibly 15?

Plus it could be a flush draw with a 5, as well. I don't get why you did this.

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Ummm... cause he's calling 410 to win 1685?

Super-easy call for me. I don't even need a read to take this line. Take a shot on the flop, sigh when villain pushes, and just call.

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Also, just to clarify, when I say "super-easy" I don't mean hugely +EV. I just mean I've already thought through this sort of situation previously, and given the pot odds plus the vig when he's making a move, I have to call.

Re: Following your gut
 

You need to push or check initially on the flop.