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Iconoclastic 12-04-2005 06:33 PM

big draw against 3 aggressors
 
If you reply to this thread and leave a link to your thread I will give my input for your thread in return

UltimateBet $25 NLHE (been playing at table for hours so I have decent reads, your typically loose low stakes ring game)

rinoshark is at seat 1 with $29.37
jimdogss is at seat 2 with $27.81
Hero is at seat 4 with $35.19
DanielleOT is at seat 5 with $29.12
dabookie is at seat 6 with $31.37
Brahma is at seat 7 with $26.50
alrdytaken is at seat 8 with $22.87
plazma is at seat 9 with $10.25
The button is at seat 2.

Hero posts the small blind of $0.10.
DanielleOT posts the big blind of $0.25

Hero: 6d 4d

Pre-flop:

dabookie calls. ..... loose
Brahma calls. .......... loose
alrdytaken folds.
plazma calls. ........ new short stack at the table
rinoshark raises to $0.50. ......... loose
jimdogss calls. ......... straightforward and readable player
Hero calls. ....... implied odds
DanielleOT calls. ......... passive, never seen bluffing
dabookie calls.
Brahma calls.
plazma calls.

Flop (board: Kd 4h 2d): (I have flush draw+lowpair+backdoor straight draw)

Hero checks. ....... i was planning to check raise big and call an all in if necessary
DanielleOT bets $1.25.
dabookie folds.
Brahma folds.
plazma goes all-in for $9.75.
rinoshark calls.
jimdogss folds.

Hero ????............. a pot sized bet by a Passive player in EP, then an overbet, then an overcall...what to do...??
DanielleOT left to act...

BigBiceps 12-04-2005 06:47 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
Fold.

Someone has something.

If someone has a set then your pair outs are no good.
If someone has a bigger flush draw then your flush outs are no good.

You could only call if you for sure knew that they both had Kx or similar hands.

Iconoclastic 12-05-2005 12:34 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
Any more opinions before I reveal the outcome?

4_2_it 12-05-2005 12:38 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
The only safe outs are your BD straight draw. Fold and wait for a better spot.

12-05-2005 12:38 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
I would fold. A lot of people seem to like their hands and there's a big chance you are up against a bigger flush draw or a set.

Dumle

12-05-2005 01:00 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
Looks the the pot odds are good, you've got one pair. I'd call a bet here.

Fallen Hero 12-05-2005 01:05 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
[ QUOTE ]
Looks the the pot odds are good, you've got one pair. I'd call a bet here.

[/ QUOTE ]

the pot odds are only good if you're very optimistic when counting your outs

Iconoclastic 12-05-2005 04:50 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
Results:

Hero folds.
DanielleOT calls.

Turn (board: Kd 4h 2d 5d):

DanielleOT bets $2.50.
rinoshark goes all-in for
$19.12.
DanielleOT goes all-in for $18.87.
rinoshark is returned $0.25 (uncalled).

River (board: Kd 4h 2d 5d Qs):

(no action in this round)


Showdown:

rinoshark shows Ad Ac.
DanielleOT shows Ks Qd.
plazma shows Qc Kh.

Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
DanielleOT wins the main pot 16.37 of a 32.74 pot with two pair, kings and queens.
plazma wins the main pot 16.37 of a 32.74 pot with two pair, kings and queens.
DanielleOT wins the side pot 37.75 with two pair, kings and queens.

Just making sure I didn't play this hand like a puzsy. Looks like I'll keep folding in these situations in the future.

12-06-2005 02:31 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
huh, you folded a good flush drawn against 4 bettors with good odds and you think you played it right. I think you need to reconsider. You had pair of 4's not so good but 2 outs to trips, 3 outs to two pair, 9 outs to flush, and a back door straight draw which is another out or so, so you had 15 or so outs with two cards to go and 4 bettors. I can't fold here.

12-06-2005 02:42 PM

Re: big draw against 3 aggressors
 
there is no way you could count on 15 CLEAN outs with this much action. I think it is good fold.


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