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It seems to me that poker often runs in streaks with a monster rush where every hand hits at one end and super pockets that can't ever win at the other. Most of the time you are somewhere in between when you play good starters in appropriate position but you will hit most of the flops that you see or miss most of the flops. It is agreed that cards break even over the long run but I believe that they are streaky in the short. A good player recognizes this and slows down when things are poor and speeds up when they are not but how do you know when the streaks are changing? Has anyone ever studied this phenom?

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Great post!

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It is agreed that cards break even over the long run but I believe that they are streaky in the short. A good player recognizes this and slows down when things are poor and speeds up when they are not but how do you know when the streaks are changing?

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Personally I have a bag of lucky chicken bones. I toss them on the floor. The patterns tell when to slow down and such. I suggest the books CBIFAP (Chicken Bone Interpretation for Advanced Players), and GPADA (Gambling Practice and the Dark Arts).

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Great post!

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It is agreed that cards break even over the long run but I believe that they are streaky in the short. A good player recognizes this and slows down when things are poor and speeds up when they are not but how do you know when the streaks are changing?

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Personally I have a bag of lucky chicken bones. I toss them on the floor. The patterns tell when to slow down and such. I suggest the books CBIFAP (Chicken Bone Interpretation for Advanced Players), and GPADA (Gambling Practice and the Dark Arts).

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Chicken Bones? You realize you can use Tarot cards and get the same information without the mess!

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the only reason to do this is because when you are losing your image goes to [censored], and when youre winning people stay out of your way. streaks exist in the past, not the future

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the only reason to do this is because when you are losing your image goes to [censored], and when youre winning people stay out of your way. streaks exist in the past, not the future

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Yeah, each hand is independent of the last unless you let the results of one affect you play on another. So no, poker doesn't come in streaks, it comes in small dosages called hands.

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Great post!

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It is agreed that cards break even over the long run but I believe that they are streaky in the short. A good player recognizes this and slows down when things are poor and speeds up when they are not but how do you know when the streaks are changing?

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Personally I have a bag of lucky chicken bones. I toss them on the floor. The patterns tell when to slow down and such. I suggest the books CBIFAP (Chicken Bone Interpretation for Advanced Players), and GPADA (Gambling Practice and the Dark Arts).

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Chicken Bones? You realize you can use Tarot cards and get the same information without the mess!

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no you can't use tarot cards. They're more rigged than online poker.

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I just ask the Magic 8 Ball before all preflop decisions.

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Here is a somewhat harsh but sarcasm-free answer...

In short, your claim is completely incorrect. The cards are random... period. Any decent player accepts this fact. No good player attempts to anticipate the next hand based on the previous hand because it simply cannot be done. The cards are random. Tell yourself that until you believe it.

However, it might be beneficial to explore this not-so-uncommon fallacy. This probably has something to do with the way the hunman mind processes information. A part of your mind is constantly looking for patterns. The reason you think you are "running bad" is the same reason you can look at the moon and see a face.

Your mind is sorting all the various information that your are taking in at any given moment. Most of it is background noise, but some of it is "a pattern." So just like you ignore the rock formations that don't look like faces, you tend to ignore the times when the cards are evenly distributed.

Sometimes, people do exactly what you are proposing. They play more loose and aggressive when they have been winning and more tight and passive when they are losing. They do this because after a nice win, they want to relive the experience and after a painful loss, they want to avoid a repeat of that pain. There is a word for that and that word is "tilt."

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how do you know when the streaks are changing?

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the more you wipe, the less the streak.

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I just ask the Magic 8 Ball before all preflop decisions.

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"all signs point to the jacket"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7.../eightball.jpg

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I play my local 4-8 LHE 1/2 kill and do very well. However, I rarely get to initiate a 1/2 kill game because I rarely win two hands in a row. Does that mean you can still win and not go on a rush? There are players there who will call with any two after a winning hand just so they can try and get a kill pot next hand.

I dont know if Ive added anything to this conversation.

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To the OP,
Yes it feels like this. Also "Varience" (the downswing side of it that we all love dearly) almost feels like someone put us on a new server and coded it with "You will lose every hand for the next 12 hours of play, No matter if you take a week off or not!!! HA!!!!".

However, I think i trust that the sites arn't rigged, and therefore trust hands are random.

Of course if you are a LAGGY guy your "streaks" of hot and cold will probably be more varied. If your a tag the varience will most likly be lower and streaks wont seem as crazy.

I once remember calling 3 gutshots without odds as i was running hot, i hit all 3... That was kinda cool.

Anyhow, these posts only get sarcastic answers(Funny though) as we're all so bored of "Poker is rigged" "i've found patterns but i have no proof" posts.

POKhER.

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The only credible quality I can assign to rushes is that some people believe in them. Personally I don't. The secret is recognizing the people who do believe in them and adapting your play accordingly. If someone believes they are going to lose and are on a downstreak, then it is going to be much easier to make them lose i.e. run them off a hand. If someone believes they are hot, and is raising every hand, you can use them as a tool to manipulate table betting easier.

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anti rush. he's a bigot and a creep.

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"Rush" is a bad word to use. But streaks certainly do exist, and it's well within the limits of probability.

Just for fun, flip a quarter a few hundred times, and assume I pay you $1 for every heads and you pay me $.95 every time it lands tails (of course you like this proposition because it pays you an expected two-and-a-half cents per flip).

But occassionally that damn coin is going to land tails ten times in a row. Am I "rushing" during this multi-win $0.95 extravaganza? No, it's just raw statistics. And damn it, you won the next five, lost one, and won five more!

This is a stupid example, but I think it illustrates the point that what you perceive as good and bad runs, is just probability playing out its course. And in poker (as with all games of high variance), 2 sigma is pretty far from your expected value.

Oh, and try flipping that same quarter twenty times and getting the result H-T-H-T...H-T. I'm not going to calculate, but the probability is close to zero.

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mega-dittos creep maybe; bigot - never

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Thanks for the recognition that you can run hot and cold and YES I do believe that the cards are random and that each hand is independent of all the others and that 3 gut shots in a row is a random result but I'll wager that you won more than your 1/10th share of the hands or 1/8th if you are really good during this "streak" and that you have lost more than your fair share during other periods.

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Who is teaching the dark arts this year?

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I would like to recommend Inside the Poker Mind by John Feeney to you.

PEace

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Who is teaching the dark arts this year?

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Cool, you at least have a sense of humor. Glad you took my flame good naturedly. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

By now I'm sure you realize that it's impossible to predict what are essentially random events. If you flip a coin and it comes up heads 4 times in a row, yr chances of it coming up heads (assuming a fair coin) is still 50-50.

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I really don't understand people who are anti rush. They are the greatest Canadian rock trio ever and 2112 is just amazing.

Neil Peart, Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee, they are world class performers.

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Yeah, each hand is independent of the last unless you let the results of one affect you play on another. So no, poker doesn't come in streaks, it comes in small dosages called hands.

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Letting previous hands affect your future play is called using "reads" IIRC. Reads are goot.