responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

PP NLHE $10+1... 2380 entrants and ~680 left.

The following 2 hands come up, with 1 hand in between where I open-folded PF.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t1307)
SB (t3425)
BB (t3633)
UTG (t8810)
UTG+1 (t2925)
UTG+2 (t4100)
MP1 (t4900)
MP2 (t1850)
MP3 (t6376)
Hero (t4174)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, MP3 calls t150, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t525</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls t375.

Flop: (t1275) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t900</font>, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: t2175



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t3350)
Button (t3408)
SB (t8660)
BB (t2925)
UTG (t4100)
UTG+1 (t4900)
MP1 (t3382)
MP2 (t5851)
Hero (t4924)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t375, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t1050) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t850</font>, SB pushes for t8000+, <font color="#CC3333">HERO???</font>


Villain has not been at the table for long. All I know is that he has somehow accumulated a large-ish sized stack and that he has seen me raise PF and c-bet the flop when checked to 2 hands before this one.

Re: responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

1.77:1 odds.. but i can't put him on a range..my guess of:

KTs-KQs,KJo-KQo,ATs,ATo,QJs,JTs

would give you 46% equity, and good enough for a call.... but i think he's more likely to be doing this w/ the hands that bea tyou, than the T's. bleh.. tough spot, and usually when i'm in a tough spot my default is call. I probably should change that up though.

Re: responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

a likely bluff or semi-bluff, but an even easier fold.

Re: responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

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1.77:1 odds.. but i can't put him on a range..my guess of:

KTs-KQs,KJo-KQo,ATs,ATo,QJs,JTs

would give you 46% equity, and good enough for a call.... but i think he's more likely to be doing this w/ the hands that bea tyou, than the T's. bleh.. tough spot, and usually when i'm in a tough spot my default is call. I probably should change that up though.

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You have the same default as me... I'm not sure this is a good thing either though.

I just couldn't see villain doing this with anything better than a weakish king, KQ at best. Like you, I felt that he was more likely doing it as a bluff or a semi-bluff with something like AT.

Turns out he had TT. A very odd way to play a set and I would have had a much easier time getting away from the hand if he had raised something besides all-in and/or if he hadn't just seen me take down a pot with a c-bet in a hand that played out nearly identical to this one. His timing was also weird and made me think he was weak. He thought a while before making the call PF and insta-pushed when I get the flop. Like, there was no time in between my bet and his push. idk... Looked too much like a bluff to me, but oh well.

Re: responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

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a likely bluff or semi-bluff, but an even easier fold.

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there's one semi-bluff hand: QJ. if you think he's "likely" bluffing then you should call. i'd call there. i think you see a lot of weird hands like 88.

Re: responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

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a likely bluff or semi-bluff, but an even easier fold.

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This is contradictory. I usually call in this situation.

Re: responding to a larger-than-pot-size check-push.
 

I wish I hadn't see the results, but FWIW I would usually fold this. I tend to give new players with big stacks some credit until I see them show down a few hands. Note that the part of his stack that exceeds yours is irrelevant. Raising you for your entire stack is pretty close to a pot-sized raise.