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I guess it depends on whether you see tokes as, "I'm rewarding you for your hard work," or "I'm sharing part of my recent good fortune with you." I tend to see it as a mix of the two -- but of course, that suits me as a low-limit player because it gives me an excuse to tip half-dollars at the Foxwoods $2/4.

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I tend to look at it as a customary thing, so I just do it. There are times where I think a dealer has done his job very well, like a player gets out of line and he settles the situation in a professional manner, or he deals very quickly and makes sure the hands per hour we get is high. In these cases, I will tip when they get up. In general though, I only sometimes look at it as reward for hard work and rarely look at is as sharing my fortune.

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I play for fun, so maybe my philosophy is different. I take this analogy: when tipping a waitress - you usually tip 15-20%. If the meal is more expensive you tip more. If she sucks, you may stiff her a little on the tip, say, 10%, and if she's good, you'll give her a little more. But the constant in all this is that the percentage is in relation to how much your bill came out to. It's not like she's carrying heavier plates or anything for more expensive dishes - it's all the same whether it's a burger or kobe beef.

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I think you've made a good point. People look at the game differently. A lot of players here don't look at the game as "just for fun". With the philosophy of always trying to get money from +EV situations, it's -EV to tip more than necessary.

I look at tipping waitresses differently. Again, I see it as customary, but when I go to eat dinner, I just treat it as part of the cost. I go out to eat dinner with friends to have fun and get a good meal. I'm not scrounging for +EV situations when I eat. Otherwise, I'd have eaten at home for 1/5 the cost.

Re: Tipping in higher limit games
 

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Say you are a pro player and play 40-80 for 10 hours a day, 5 days a week (50 hours). Assume 40 hands an hour and that you win 4 of them.
Jeff

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Jimany xmas Jeffage, I wish I could do that!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] My last 23 hrs of play have gotten me 12 pots!! Last nite was no exception, 4 hrs = o pots, I suck. vpip=less than 8% I'm sure. heh. Gosh I think I'm gonna go get 2 hookers as soon as I see 3 winning sessions in a row!! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Tipping in higher limit games
 

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Jimany xmas Jeffage, I wish I could do that!! My last 23 hrs of play have gotten me 12 pots!!

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OMG, I don't even want to tell you what my last 3 weeks have looked like online. If I could tip the goddamn thing to let my cards hold up just once, I would shove dollars into my DVD drive, anywhere lol. I can't wait till I spend alot of next month in Vegas away from this infernal machine.

See you there, you I tip well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Jeff

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I play for fun, so maybe my philosophy is different. I take this analogy: when tipping a waitress - you usually tip 15-20%. If the meal is more expensive you tip more. If she sucks, you may stiff her a little on the tip, say, 10%, and if she's good, you'll give her a little more. But the constant in all this is that the percentage is in relation to how much your bill came out to. It's not like she's carrying heavier plates or anything for more expensive dishes - it's all the same whether it's a burger or kobe beef.

I do tip more if I win a bigger pot. For a 1200 pot in a 1/2NL game, i'd probably tip 15, b/c that's a HUGE pot for 1/2 (600BB), maybe more depending on my mood, how much of the pot was my money, and how good the dealer is. If it's a $5 pot, I don't tip anything. Tipping $1 for a 600BB pot i think is being a bit on the cheap side.

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Your analogy is bad. Expensive restaurants have different standards and expectations from less expensive ones, particularly when it comes to service. Further, the staff at The French Laundry is substantially different across every meaningful dimension from the neighborhood Olive Garden.

Finally, for your analogy to be accurate, you should be tipping dealers proportional to their competence at the end of their down, regardless of whether you win a pot.

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Finally, for your analogy to be accurate, you should be tipping dealers proportional to their competence at the end of their down, regardless of whether you win a pot.

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I actually wish this were the system.

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I play for fun, so maybe my philosophy is different. I take this analogy: when tipping a waitress - you usually tip 15-20%. If the meal is more expensive you tip more. If she sucks, you may stiff her a little on the tip, say, 10%, and if she's good, you'll give her a little more. But the constant in all this is that the percentage is in relation to how much your bill came out to. It's not like she's carrying heavier plates or anything for more expensive dishes - it's all the same whether it's a burger or kobe beef.

I do tip more if I win a bigger pot. For a 1200 pot in a 1/2NL game, i'd probably tip 15, b/c that's a HUGE pot for 1/2 (600BB), maybe more depending on my mood, how much of the pot was my money, and how good the dealer is. If it's a $5 pot, I don't tip anything. Tipping $1 for a 600BB pot i think is being a bit on the cheap side.

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Your analogy is bad. Expensive restaurants have different standards and expectations from less expensive ones, particularly when it comes to service. Further, the staff at The French Laundry is substantially different across every meaningful dimension from the neighborhood Olive Garden.

Finally, for your analogy to be accurate, you should be tipping dealers proportional to their competence at the end of their down, regardless of whether you win a pot.

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I dont think his analagy is that bad. The server is just bringing you your food the same as a dealer is just pushing you the pot. Why should i give one server 40$ and another one 20$ just because of the price of food? Both are doing the same job. One may do the job better but do they deserve substantially more money for the same job?

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But what do you think about the waitress analogy and the tournament analogy? What makes cash games so different?

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There is no difference. In a cash game, you only tip when you win, same as in a tournament. You pay more than $1 at the end of a tournament because you're paying for hundreds of hands. It works out the same.

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I play for fun, so maybe my philosophy is different. I take this analogy: when tipping a waitress - you usually tip 15-20%. If the meal is more expensive you tip more. If she sucks, you may stiff her a little on the tip, say, 10%, and if she's good, you'll give her a little more. But the constant in all this is that the percentage is in relation to how much your bill came out to. It's not like she's carrying heavier plates or anything for more expensive dishes - it's all the same whether it's a burger or kobe beef.

I do tip more if I win a bigger pot. For a 1200 pot in a 1/2NL game, i'd probably tip 15, b/c that's a HUGE pot for 1/2 (600BB), maybe more depending on my mood, how much of the pot was my money, and how good the dealer is. If it's a $5 pot, I don't tip anything. Tipping $1 for a 600BB pot i think is being a bit on the cheap side.

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Your analogy is bad. Expensive restaurants have different standards and expectations from less expensive ones, particularly when it comes to service. Further, the staff at The French Laundry is substantially different across every meaningful dimension from the neighborhood Olive Garden.

Finally, for your analogy to be accurate, you should be tipping dealers proportional to their competence at the end of their down, regardless of whether you win a pot.

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I dont think his analagy is that bad. The server is just bringing you your food the same as a dealer is just pushing you the pot. Why should i give one server 40$ and another one 20$ just because of the price of food? Both are doing the same job. One may do the job better but do they deserve substantially more money for the same job?

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Good job missing the point.

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I don't think it's such a bad analogy if it's confined to a single restaurant. You tip more for a $20 entree than an $8 entree, which is debatable.

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Have we not completely exhausted everything there is to say on this top in the past 3 months? This is just beating a dead horse. Why do tipping threads garner the most flame retardant replies?

Simple, tip if you want to. Don't tip if you don't feel like you should. This forum doesn't need to be constantly drowning in this question every single week.