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bigredlemon 11-08-2005 02:02 AM

All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

BB ($21.04)
UTG ($47.60)
Hero ($26.75)
SB ($10.48)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $7.

Turn: ($23.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG goes all in. Hero calls $15.75.

DJ Sensei 11-08-2005 03:07 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Looks fine to me, you can't really fold trips+OESD with less than the pot left in your stack.

Riposte 11-08-2005 04:45 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
This is tough. I think you're beat on the turn here to AJ, KJ, QJ. You have to call $16 into a $38 pot. You probably have 9 clean outs. The Queens might be dirty, so let's discount it to 8 outs to be on the safe side. So with one card to come your equity is about 17%.

$16 to win a $54 pot. That's just too much. I think you have to fold here.

11-08-2005 05:01 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Don't forget, his opponent won't always have him beat, and he'll have 6 more outs to chop (if the 8 or T pairs) if his opponent outkicks him... so easy call then, I guess be glad stacks aren't deeper.

Riposte 11-08-2005 05:11 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Ahh yeah, good point, oops! It's probably a call then considering the guy could have AA-QQ. Not to nitpick, but considering whether the river causes a chop is irrelevant.

trumpman84 11-08-2005 07:34 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
I don't think it's irrellevant...a chance the chop the pot increases hero's equity doesn't it? 8 outs with 6 outs to chop is better than 8 outs with no chance to chop. In an extreme case..8 outs with 46 outs to chop is called a free roll.

gulebjorn 11-08-2005 07:49 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Whole hand looks fine to me. This is a very easy call.

djoyce003 11-08-2005 11:08 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
i call this all day.

Hattifnatt 11-08-2005 11:11 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Totally fine to me, if he has a better jack you have straight-outs.

4_2_it 11-08-2005 11:25 AM

Re: All in with jacks... thoughts?
 
Easy call based upon stack sizes.


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