200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

Hey guys,
just sat down at the table for one orbit, raised two hands, villan hasnt done anything noticeable yet.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

CO ($209.65)
Button ($404.45)
Hero ($213.10)
BB ($138.45)
UTG ($43.35)
MP ($144.79)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $11</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($28) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $45</font>, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($118) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, villan moves allin

what do you guys think about this hand? is this an easy muck vs an unknown?

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

no one thinks this is interesting in least bit?

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

i usually play 10-handed, but if it was me here i would do everything the same but fold to his flop raise

i don't think you can call his flop raise and just hope he checks it down, reverse implied odds = bad here

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

you think most players will auto raise their ace there? it seems as if more peopel would just call the flop trying to be coy.
Noah

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

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you think most players will auto raise their ace there? it seems as if more peopel would just call the flop trying to be coy.
Noah

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What else would he take this line with? He sure as heck doesn't want to give you free cards if you're holding something like KhQh. I fold to the flop raise against a total unknown. Against some players, I'll call both the flop and turn but I think you need to know your opponent better to make that call.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

yeah, your thinking makes sense, but whenever i think like that i always seem to out think myself and pay off some guys monster that he fast-played

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

I gotta agree this guy probably has the ace. Only reason he is raising here. Probably some ace crap hand but he is afraid of the 2 draws.

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

this is SSH, he could have anything from a dry jack to any pp to a flush draw, trying to get me off bigger pair. I almost never see people raise with their ace on the flop, especially in raised pot.
Noah

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

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I almost never see people raise with their ace on the flop

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well, if this is true then the hand is easy, play it like you did and call

but this statement is the source of disagreement

Re: 200 NL 6 max KK hand
 

OK, if that's your read, then its a clear call on the turn, right? You start out saying there's no way he could have an ace (I'm guessing you'd agree that he wouldn't play JJ this fast, either) so the turn card doesn't really change anything as, assuming your read is good, you're way ahead.