AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

Button is a taggy rock. UTG is a fish.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (10 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

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Button is a taggy rock. UTG is a fish.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: (10 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB


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I would c/r the turn.

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

I too would CR the turn. You can't be sure that the other guy is gonna stick around, and there is no reason to let the taggy button see a cheap river. He's Tag but he limped here. What does that tell you? What is his range of hands? Actually, I never limp in this situation. I have trouble putting him on a range of hands for this reason.

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Fish isn't calling 2 cold and I'm not really worried that he's a threat, so I want to keep him in. That's why I didn't check-raise the turn.

I'd like some other feedback on Button's range of hands and how to extract the most/lose the least.

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

OK. So what's the plan then? Assuming fish doesn't reraise,

What do you do at the river if
a) button calls?
- bet/call
- bet/fold
- check/call

b) What do you do at the turn/river if button reraises?

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

Is he rocky enough that you can lead/fold the turn?

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

Now that's a good question. I think I missed that line; I was worried about representing/showing the King by betting out the turn, and preferred to represent the draw so rocky rock would continue to bet his 77 or T9s or whatever. If he's flopped a set or a straight I'm toast and can fold to a raise. He may raise with 77 to push me out though and keep the fish to himself. I can't remember his aggression factor but it wasn't overly passive.

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

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He's Tag but he limped here. What does that tell you? What is his range of hands? Actually, I never limp in this situation. I have trouble putting him on a range of hands for this reason.

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I dunno, what are you doing with 98s here?

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

a) bet/call
b) call-down

I would not fold TPTK, in the Party 15 even rocks make plays once in a while.

Re: AlKatraz - securing villains or can\'t escape?
 

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Fish isn't calling 2 cold and I'm not really worried that he's a threat, so I want to keep him in.

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Fish is calling 2 cold with a 5 in his hand or maybe even with something like 76 or even 78 thats why we call him a Fish. There is 8Bb in the pot when it comes to you on the turn and when its up to button to act there will be 12 (fish always calls !! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])if you CR. At those odds 77 or A6 is not folding the turn and what do you care if he calls or folds the river if you already made hime pay on the turn...Now if you behind you did cost yourself extra 2BB but if you ahead you made yourself 2 or more...