Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
Typical table. I'd been on a monster run of cards this past orbit, and had raised the previous 3 hands pre-flop, so I thought I'd just call this one (mistake?)
Also, is it correct to wait until the turn to raise, or are there already enough callers on the flop to re-raise? All comments appreciated. Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks. Flop: (6 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls. Turn: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls. River: (14 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls. Final Pot: 17 BB |
Re: Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
I like it. You're giving up a little to potentially gain a lot. You have the nut flush already, so another diamond falling isn't going to hurt. If you had a lesser flush, I would definitely say push it on the flop.
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Re: Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
You know, I did the same thing last night (calling with a raising hand because I had been open-raising a lot), and when I think about it now, I don't like it at all. If you're worried that people won't respect your raises, then there aren't many better hands to raise with than AKs. It's a big favorite and it plays well multiway, so really, you're hoping people will look you up here.
I was thinking about why I called instead of raising a pretty clear raising hand, and I've come to the conclusion that it's because subconsciously I want the other players at the table to think I am a good player. But really, my goal ought to be to take their money. So if they call my raise thinking "what a fish", so much the better for me (and you). I have to imagine it's more profitable if your opponents have an incorrect read on you than if they just have a general read that you're a solid player. |
Re: Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
First Question: Why the hell are you not raising pre-flop?
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Re: Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
If you raised the past 3 hands preflop, there's even more reason to raise this one, people are going to go out of their way to "keep you honest".
I would go ahead and reraise the flop, a turn check/raise is risky and there's a good chance he'll check behind on the turn on this board. |
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I was thinking about why I called instead of raising a pretty clear raising hand, and I've come to the conclusion that it's because subconsciously I want the other players at the table to think I am a good player. But really, my goal ought to be to take their money. So if they call my raise thinking "what a fish", so much the better for me (and you). I have to imagine it's more profitable if your opponents have an incorrect read on you than if they just have a general read that you're a solid player. [/ QUOTE ] Good points, some of my most profitable sessions are when I pick up 3-4 good hands in a row and my opponents think I'm a maniac. After they realize I'm showing down good hands everytime they stop playing back at me and I pick up a bunch of pots because they fear I have the nuts again. |
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Good points, some of my most profitable sessions are when I pick up 3-4 good hands in a row and my opponents think I'm a maniac. After they realize I'm showing down good hands everytime they stop playing back at me and I pick up a bunch of pots because they fear I have the nuts again. [/ QUOTE ] You and GME bring up some great points. I wasn't (that I know of) wanting them to think I am a good player (but I guess that's the definition of "subconscious" right? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) but just to mix my game up a bit. How was I to know I'd flop the immortal nuts? But all in all, you're right... no matter how good of a run you're on, if you are showing down good hands, most people will, for the short term anyway, tend to want to avoid me. That's not what I want. |
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Typical table. I'd been on a monster run of cards this past orbit, and had raised the previous 3 hands pre-flop, so I thought I'd just call this one (mistake?) [/ QUOTE ] The only time I'll think like that is if I've been raising a string of hands and now my hand is weaker than usual. My thinking is that now I'm likely to get more callers, so I want to make sure my hand can hold up in that type of situation. In your case, AKs would love plenty of callers, so you're missing out on a ton of value pre-flop. |
Re: Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
Reraise the flop and for the love of god raise preflop.
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Re: Go ahead and re-raise this flop?
If you were in some sort of position where you didn't have the whole field trapped for extra bets on that flop, you could make a case for trapping them on the big street. Here, reraise them. You have the whole field trapped, and you don't know if they'll call on the turn. As for preflop:
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