Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

I do believe soah implied that he would strongly suspect to be beat in this spot which therefore indicated he would fold, which is why I asked specifically what he would do. He was the only one though.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

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How many hands will he really raise only 3BB preflop, check the flop, call the turn, min-raise the river with? Very unlikely for any hand you're beating to check the flop. And his play is EXTREMELY consistent with top set. I probably just call the min-raise on the river and save myself some cash.

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Let's see...

AJ, 88, 33

I was thinking most likely 33, and he would've paid me off with his whole stack, which is what I was going for.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

His preflop action is not at all consistent with 33.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

His flop and river actions are not at all consisten with AJ.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

How exactly did he lose less? He was stacked. Am I reading it wrong or what?

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

Come on, this is a case of set over set. You should be getting stacked every time. The only thing I can say is that villain should have gotten your money before the river. Don't out think yourself everytime someone raises preflop and an ace flops while you have JJJ.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

I would be leading into the raiser like it was going out of style on the flop, thus losing all my chips there.

Had I taken this line, however, I would have put Villain on a set of aces with something like 80% certainty by the river miniraise, and probably called, then puked on my keyboard over my inability to make the great laydown.

Incidentally: It is not great poker to be stacked 100% of the time by set over set. It is "minimally acceptable" poker. Being a "great" player would involve an increasingly higher percentage of your stack over an increasingly higher percentage of these situations, within reasonable limits.

I think I would know by the river raise. A better hand-reader would know by the turn overcall, I think.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

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I would be leading into the raiser like it was going out of style on the flop, thus losing all my chips there.

Had I taken this line, however, I would have put Villain on a set of aces with something like 80% certainty by the river miniraise, and probably called, then puked on my keyboard over my inability to make the great laydown.

Incidentally: It is not great poker to be stacked 100% of the time by set over set. It is "minimally acceptable" poker. Being a "great" player would involve an increasingly higher percentage of your stack over an increasingly higher percentage of these situations, within reasonable limits.

I think I would know by the river raise. A better hand-reader would know by the turn overcall, I think.

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I dont see a profitable fold here ever. This is lowstakes against inexperienced opponents who randomly make bad bets/raises and I see no reason to fold a set on this board.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

Ok, going back and looking it over again you do make sense but theres just so many hands that people overplay its not even funny. I can imagine a flat call on the river instead of reraising, but I don't see a laydown here.

Re: Getting away from middle set?
 

button obviously was dying to have his set cracked. you should lead the flop and try to beak somebody with AK or AJ all the time and if its set over set, then lose a stack and move on