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grouchie 12-14-2005 05:29 PM

Caught bluffing
 
Ok, please give advice on this hand, every bit will help.

Also, if you were going to bluff on the flop like I did, how big of a bet would you have made it? just all in right away?
was my $25 too small?

and for the river, With most allof my money in there allready, Do I have to call the bet? Is folding even an option?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Hero ($47.15)
CO ($106.10)
Button ($31.05)
SB ($104.70)
BB ($143.40)
UTG ($101.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $7, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($19) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, BB calls $15.

Turn: ($69) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $85</font>, Hero calls $14.15 (All-In).

River: ($168.15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $168.15

4_2_it 12-14-2005 05:34 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
So villain has to call $15 to win $54. Your stack is committed so you are giving him just about 4-1 to see the next two cards. Many hands will (and should) call this. Bluffs like this work better on non-Broadway boards when you suspect villain is CBing with air. It also helps to have a larger stack.

beavens 12-14-2005 05:37 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
fold on the flop - BB probably caught a big piece of the flop.

WhiteWolf 12-14-2005 05:41 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
Fold to his raise PF. You're not deep stacked enough to play small PP against someone raising big from the BB.

Fold flop. There are 2 high cards out there and a flush draw, making it much more likely the flop hit the PF raiser. Here as well, your short stack works against you. You're not scaring anyone away.

If you do decide to bluff, you need to make it much bigger. You have to push. The $25 bet gives him almost 4-1 odds to call.

Fold the river, you're beat. Even the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] doesn't give you odds to call.

Bukem_ 12-14-2005 05:42 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
Bluffing this flop? Impossible.

And it would have to be all in if you did want to try it(read to burn money). No one is ever folding to that small raise of yours.

ajmargarine 12-14-2005 05:48 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
WBOTW -- worst bluff of the week.

Because you are short, you don't even have enough to call BB's PFR. You should have folded preflop. As played, cmon, no set no bet is an understatement in your situation.

12-14-2005 05:53 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
This is classic "mistake compounded" poker.

Bad preflop call. You are calling more than 10% of your stack.

On the flop, either he has a higher pocket pair or hit that flop. You are trying to bluff at it because of your bad preflop call.

Hoopster81 12-14-2005 06:23 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
[ QUOTE ]
Bluffing this flop? Impossible.

[/ QUOTE ]

teamdonkey 12-14-2005 06:50 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
reload to the full amount before the hand. barring that....

fold to the preflop raise. barring that....

your stack and the pot size make a flop bluff very difficult. the only viable bluff is a push, and you're now risking $40 to win $30 with very little pot equity when called. The only hands you're folding out are random garbage, JJ or AJ. Fold to the flop bet. barring that....

you're ahead of absolutely nothing on the turn. Great pot odds mean nothing if you only have 2 outs. Fold the turn.

12-14-2005 06:54 PM

Re: Caught bluffing
 
Don't play with half stack;
calling the $7 seems loose, but is ok if you have full buy-in and raiser is loose-aggressive and has full stack.
Fold flop, wait for a better spot.


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