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12-03-2005 02:22 PM

JJ runs into some aggression
 
Hello,

As always, comments welcome on all streets.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($48.55)
MP3 ($46.50)
CO ($49.92)
Button ($31.05)
SB ($121.10)
BB ($11.65)
UTG ($71.05)
UTG+1 ($42.45)
MP1 ($46.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($18.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10.

River: ($38.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero goes all in for effectively $29.55

AZK 12-03-2005 02:25 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
lead turn, fold to a raise

Reef 12-03-2005 02:29 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
I'm thinking maybe a 3 bet on the flop is in order. This board is ultra draw heavy, 7's-10's will get scared away by many turn cards, I don't think CO would cold call w/ 5x (possibly A5, but if he called w/ that cold, then he will have gotten all your $ anyway... and you know you'll take it back and more later). If 66 flopped a house, congratulations- move on.

I don't like the river push because only a hand that beats you will call. I say 3 bet the flop.

Reef 12-03-2005 02:30 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
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lead turn, fold to a raise

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this looks fine too

12-03-2005 02:37 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
Isn't a push OK even if I know he will only call with a better hand? Let's assume I think he will only call with a Flush or a 5, and theres 1:1 odds that he has one of those two hands. Im risking 30 to win 40, so the odds are 4:3 in my favor.

AZK (or Reef), if I lead turn and just get called, whats my plan for the river? Bet out 10-15, and fold to reraise (for another 15 which would be his all in)?

Thanks for the replies

-Grant

beset7 12-03-2005 02:47 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
That river push is not a good idea.

I also lead turn fold to a raise against most players. If they call the turn I check and then call a reasonable bet. Keep it small here. There's no reason to try to get your stack in the middle.

Karak567 12-03-2005 02:49 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
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lead turn, fold to a raise

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Do you do this with QQ+ as well?

If you have AA in this same situation (assume black aces), still fold turn?

KK? QQ?

12-03-2005 04:44 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
for what its worth, the poor dude called with 44.

Oh how I love thee, party poker.

-Grant

4_2_it 12-03-2005 04:46 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
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Isn't a push OK even if I know he will only call with a better hand? Let's assume I think he will only call with a Flush or a 5, and theres 1:1 odds that he has one of those two hands. Im risking 30 to win 40, so the odds are 4:3 in my favor.


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Why not bet an amount that a worse hand will call? Probably makes you more money in the long run.

Godfather80 12-03-2005 04:53 PM

Re: JJ runs into some aggression
 
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lead turn, fold to a raise

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Do you do this with QQ+ as well?

If you have AA in this same situation (assume black aces), still fold turn?

KK? QQ?

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Yes, with AA,KK,QQ, you would lead the turn and fold to a raise. Villain, unless previously noted as postflop aggressive, will rarely raise on the turn with anything you can beat. JJ or AA are only overpairs at this point and only atypical villain will raise the turn with a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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