7SFAP is too advanced for me.
 

I just got 7SFAP and I've been muddling through it. It should be mentioned that I've never played a hand of 7stud other than a few play-money hands to see what it was like, and in an effort to increase my repitoire from limit holdem, I picked this book up.

Here's what I've been thinking when reading through just the first two parts:

If player is A but not B, then you can C, and then on fourth street if his D < your E then you should consider F and mabye G again on a later street. H is right if player is B, and sometimes A, but not I.

I know, I know. It's an advanced text. I have seen this book recommended both in this forum and in the Books/Publications forum for players who have never played 7Stud before, though. HPFAP was an easy read compared to this.

I guess I need to step it down a notch before I tackle this book again, but I'll probably read the whole thing now anyway. Any recommendations, either online or in book form?

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Buy Ashley Adams book. Most people on this forum dont really like it, but I enjoyed it. From what I understand its not very in depth but it will teach you the skills you need to beat low stakes games and its a easy read(not sklansky).

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I bought 7CSFAP but haven't cracked it yet. I am using Wilson's Turbo 7CS and it is great way to get a feel for the game. I think there is a holiday special going on now, too.

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If you're playing up to $1/$2 with low antes, you can use Roy West's book. I found it a very easy read. Above these stakes, I suggest you persevere with 7cs4ap till it makes sense.

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reread TOP and maybe skim through West in the bookstore for starting hand requirements.

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I agree that Adams book is quite easier to read than 7CSFAP and I as well buck the trend on this forum and recommend it for the small stakes stud players. I have started 7CSFAP several times and quit about 1/2 way into it.

A year or so ago, I saw the Internet Forum do a book reading and discussion together as a forum and had been intending to bring this up earlier for 7CSFAP. Would that help? Say read chapter X thru Y by next Wednesday and we can collectively discuss what we've read?

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A year or so ago, I saw the Internet Forum do a book reading and discussion together as a forum and had been intending to bring this up earlier for 7CSFAP. Would that help? Say read chapter X thru Y by next Wednesday and we can collectively discuss what we've read?

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Sorry, I'm too busy reading with Oprah's book club. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

In all seriousness, I would be interested in being involved with this discussion. Anybody want to take the reins and organize it?

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I agree that Adams book is quite easier to read than 7CSFAP and I as well buck the trend on this forum and recommend it for the small stakes stud players. I have started 7CSFAP several times and quit about 1/2 way into it.

A year or so ago, I saw the Internet Forum do a book reading and discussion together as a forum and had been intending to bring this up earlier for 7CSFAP. Would that help? Say read chapter X thru Y by next Wednesday and we can collectively discuss what we've read?

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i was just considering a re-read.......

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Reading 7CSFAP is like exercise; I'm not doing it even though I know it's good for me. Maybe treating it like a class assignment or homework will make me finish the entire book.

Maybe Andy can administer the final exam.

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That's a great idea!

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I agree that Adams book is quite easier to read than 7CSFAP and I as well buck the trend on this forum and recommend it for the small stakes stud players. I have started 7CSFAP several times and quit about 1/2 way into it.

A year or so ago, I saw the Internet Forum do a book reading and discussion together as a forum and had been intending to bring this up earlier for 7CSFAP. Would that help? Say read chapter X thru Y by next Wednesday and we can collectively discuss what we've read?

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If someone wants to organize it, I'm definately in.

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That's a great idea!

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Sounds like there is some interest, so let's set it up. I would prefer one of the more well versed and better stud players to lead this if one would volunteer; I'm neither.

How much should we read in one period? Part I is +/-65 pages, but is full of some really complex issues. Would 1/2 of Part I be a good stopping point? Say "Introduction" through "Playing Small and Medium Pairs"; that would get us through "pairs" and on to straights, flushes and other stuff for the next reading.

We should allow some time for new players to order the book that may want to participate and also get through the holidays. Let's target the first reading section to begin discussion on Wednesday, January 4th.

We will be using the 21st Century Edition, so when you order make sure that's what you are getting.

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Chip Reese's section in SuperSystem is great and describes the proper concepts more succinctly. And although there is not enough emphasis in 7CSFAP on having big cards, you will eventually want to reread it to better understand the impact of the other upcards that are out and the value of your kicker in different situations. running simulations on twodimes.net will also help you understand more of the marginal spots.

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...Say "Introduction" through "Playing Small and Medium Pairs"; that would get us through "pairs" and on to straights, flushes and other stuff for the next reading...

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This would be a great way to learn what the book has to offer, but there is so much to talk about for each section that it would take forever to get through the book. Just a thought.

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reread TOP and maybe skim through West in the bookstore for starting hand requirements.

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This is a good idea for the new guys. Get the very basics and play a little, then once you have an idea of what your doing read 7csfap.

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This would be a great way to learn what the book has to offer, but there is so much to talk about for each section that it would take forever to get through the book. Just a thought.

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I'm open for ideas--I'm far removed from my school years (graduated college more than 12 years ago) and being an engineer, I'm no where close to an educator.

I don't want to fill up the forum with multiple discussions of smaller portions of the book than necessary. If every minor topic of the book became it's own discussion, we'd have 35 seperate discussions the first week alone.

I'll keep thinking of a good way to do this, but please keep firing your ideas...anyone?

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If every minor topic of the book became it's own discussion, we'd have 35 seperate discussions the first week alone.

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I think this is exactly what would happen. I'm not saying it isn't a good way to handle it, just that it would take a while.

You would probably get more out of the book by discussing every little thing you find, it's all important.

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...Say "Introduction" through "Playing Small and Medium Pairs"; that would get us through "pairs" and on to straights, flushes and other stuff for the next reading...

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This would be a great way to learn what the book has to offer, but there is so much to talk about for each section that it would take forever to get through the book. Just a thought.

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I think this objection could be made for any and every book that people discuss seriously.... Discussions are rarely exhaustive...peole are still doing scholarly work on just about everything in the western cannon. But that doesn't negate the fact that open and expansive discussions are are the single most effective way to learn and understand a difficult subject.

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Thats a good point. But I don't know that a structured weekly forum is the way to go necessarily. I think as people read the book on their own and find a point that they have trouble with they should start a thread and get the responses they need. You would get a less extensive interpretation of the book as a whole but could focus on the troubling parts.

The other way works to but I don't know that many people would stick with it.

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I am using Wilson's Turbo 7CS and it is great way to get a feel for the game. I think there is a holiday special going on now, too.

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Got a link? I went to their website and didn't see anything about a special.

http://wilsonsoftware.com/texas-holdem/index.html

Anyone have a copy that they are no longer using and would sell? PM me.

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Thats a good point. But I don't know that a structured weekly forum is the way to go necessarily. I think as people read the book on their own and find a point that they have trouble with they should start a thread and get the responses they need. You would get a less extensive interpretation of the book as a whole but could focus on the troubling parts.

The other way works to but I don't know that many people would stick with it.

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The reason to have it structured by section/chapter is to force lazy asses like me to read the book. If you tell me "read the whole book and talk about the stuff you don't understand", I'm not going to do it. But if you tell me "read 10 pages and we'll discuss it", that's no problem. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Also, breaking it down makes it more likely that some of the fine points are learned, which can be missed easily if you are trying to read the whole thing.

Just my 2 cents!

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Get some discipline man! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'll agree with ya, thats a good point .

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The reason to have it structured by section/chapter is to force lazy asses like me to read the book.

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Don't you have a toilet? Take the book and put it on top of the toilet. It's common knowledge that all great thoughts and serious concentration take place there.... has something to do with being the time one's ass isn't that lazy.

Pun too graphic?

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getting book in days will participate in study group

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The reason to have it structured by section/chapter is to force lazy asses like me to read the book.

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Don't you have a toilet? Take the book and put it on top of the toilet. It's common knowledge that all great thoughts and serious concentration take place there.... has something to do with being the time one's ass isn't that lazy.

Pun too graphic?

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Lucky for me, I eat plenty of fiber, so I don't spend that much time on the toilet. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Lucky for me, I eat plenty of fiber, so I don't spend that much time on the toilet. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Eat less fiber and you shall become a great stud player [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Take the book and put it on top of the toilet.

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This is exactly what I did with it. ALL my poker books start out on the shelf in the bathroom, so I can read them in a more, um, leisurely fashion.

Usually, after a couple of weeks, they end up on the shelf above my monitor, for quick reference.

Since this thread has changed topics somewhat, mabye an **official** thread should be started soon.

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Since this thread has changed topics somewhat, mabye an **official** thread should be started soon.

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Done.

Link= http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0#Post4210927

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Don't you have a toilet? Take the book and put it on top of the toilet. It's common knowledge that all great thoughts and serious concentration take place there.... has something to do with being the time one's ass isn't that lazy.
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This statement caused WAY too much sharing....lol.

I'm in on the study group thing. My last foray into the little tome was for naught. Heck, my attention span is so short I can hide my own Easter eggs.

JJ