A lot of trouble could have been avoided
 

A hopeless willpowerless fool, I have repeatedly blown large chunks of my bankroll on party BJ.

Until today, when I discovered that if you simply delete the Blackjack images in the PartyPoker folder, then you can no longer access the Blackjack site.

Why oh why did I not know about this 2 months ago?

A 25k lesson well learned. Should I have used the search function here??

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$25k blown on blackjack?

Wow.


I guess I don't understand why it is so addictive...or why anyone who is addicted to it can successfully 'solve' the problem by deleting a couple of files (since you can just download it/them again if/when you get the urge to play again).

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can anyone say Gamblers Annonymous

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A hopeless willpowerless fool, I have repeatedly blown large chunks of my bankroll on party BJ.

Until today, when I discovered that if you simply delete the Blackjack images in the PartyPoker folder, then you can no longer access the Blackjack site.

Why oh why did I not know about this 2 months ago?

A 25k lesson well learned. Should I have used the search function here??

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Enjoy!

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can anyone say Gamblers Annonymous

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dudes username is Gamblor and all...

To the OP, sorry to hear about your troubles with party blackjack, I havent heard a success story yet...

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I should clarify that this run began in september, when I was playing off a 50k roll. I'd lose a chunk playing BJ, and make it back at the tables.

Then I stopped playing the BJ and stayed at poker after I had to take 20k out to pay for tuition and a vacation.

Suddenly, after a bad run of cards, I was down to 5k.

At nopoint did I lose more than 20% of my actual playing roll in any given run, but it's still 25k i wish i had now that I'm rebuilding.

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I've never quite understood why blackjack is supposed to be entertaining myself. I prefer games where you actually have an opponent to defeat.

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A hopeless willpowerless fool, I have repeatedly blown large chunks of my bankroll on party BJ.

Until today, when I discovered that if you simply delete the Blackjack images in the PartyPoker folder, then you can no longer access the Blackjack site.

Why oh why did I not know about this 2 months ago?

A 25k lesson well learned. Should I have used the search function here??

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Enjoy!

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Hahahaha.

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To the OP, sorry to hear about your troubles with party blackjack, I havent heard a success story yet...

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First week it was up I put $20 at risk for grins. Lost half, won it back, doubled it to $40, quit at $35.

Up $15, and I'll never play it again.

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A hopeless willpowerless fool, I have repeatedly blown large chunks of my bankroll on party BJ.

Until today, when I discovered that if you simply delete the Blackjack images in the PartyPoker folder, then you can no longer access the Blackjack site.

Why oh why did I not know about this 2 months ago?

A 25k lesson well learned. Should I have used the search function here??

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Enjoy!

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... i dont get it

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A hopeless willpowerless fool, I have repeatedly blown large chunks of my bankroll on party BJ.

Until today, when I discovered that if you simply delete the Blackjack images in the PartyPoker folder, then you can no longer access the Blackjack site.

Why oh why did I not know about this 2 months ago?

A 25k lesson well learned. Should I have used the search function here??

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Enjoy!

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... i dont get it

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And this is the funniest post of the thread.

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I am always surprised by 2+2ers donking good money away at a -EV game. And I shudder at the thought about how much the losing players must play BJ at Party now.

As incompetent as Party is, they sure seem to have a knack for separating the players from their money.

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I should clarify that this run began in september, when I was playing off a 50k roll. I'd lose a chunk playing BJ, and make it back at the tables.

Then I stopped playing the BJ and stayed at poker after I had to take 20k out to pay for tuition and a vacation.

Suddenly, after a bad run of cards, I was down to 5k.

At nopoint did I lose more than 20% of my actual playing roll in any given run, but it's still 25k i wish i had now that I'm rebuilding.

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this logic/justification is really terrible.
do you see why?


Many a winning poker-player has been fallen by logic like this ("I'd blow some of my winnings on sports-betting/drugs/hookers/expensive toys/-EV games because I could just make it back at the poker-tables).


I'm not trying to rub it in because obviously you've gotten pretty badly clobbered and I do, in fact, feel for you.
But I don't think the reasoning you are using to partly justify (perhaps the wrong word...whatever) your losses is really dangerous.

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BS post.

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They don't seem so incompetant to me. I think this point agrees.

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A lot of trouble could have been avoided if

I hadn't started Omaha8 at the $5/$10 level, just because I play holdem at the $5/$10 level.

$3.5K lesson.

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IMO the only real sleaze here is the fact that Party will not block it or tell players how. Obviously the first day people figured it out here. I wonder if Party will figure out a way to block the ability for deleting tht images to work. Short term gold mine for Party, future downfall.

I know from a Granny post a while back Paradise will block it, any sportsbook will too, whats Party's excuse? Ah greed and no care for the players.

I still find it laughable I was blocked for a week because of a supposed "gambling addiction" but yet Party pulls this sleaze.

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A 25k lesson

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lol

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I guess I just don't understand what good 'blocking it' is supposed to do.

If you don't want to play it then just don't click on the stupid button.
Just the same as if you don't want to blow your whole $5k roll by 'taking a shot' at the 100/200 game then just don't take a seat at the table.

Is Party supposed to block the 100/200 tables too for those players who are upset that they were just too tempted to take their shots there in the first place?


It reminds me of the super-addicted gamblers (like slots and craps and such) out there who ask the casino to bar them from ever playing again (and sometimes will even sue the casino because they failed to impose that ban on them...or because they kept the addict on their mailing list for coupons, etc).

Should some talented poker-player tell the casino to ban them from the craps tables. They make all this money in the poker-room...but somehow it's the casinos fault that they blow it all on the craps table.


I just don't see the point of this whole debate about 'blocking the buttons'.
If you wanted to play online blackjack there were about a million places you could have been doing this BEFORE party added it to their site.
yeah yeah yeah....but on party it's "right there". But that's only a difference of a few button clicks from the other online-blackjack places .


So if gambloor (and others) are so prone to this party-blackjack thing...then why weren't they already playing online-blackjack before I wonder (seriously...just curious).

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Because it's staring you in the face I suppose it's harder to resist the urge to play it. An analogy could be drawn to a guy who likes to snort coke but knows it is against his own best interests to do so. He also knows he has a harder time resisting the impulse to snort coke if he is staring at a pile of it for an hour or so than if it is not in his site. Out of site out of mind so to speak.

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I should clarify that this run began in september, when I was playing off a 50k roll. I'd lose a chunk playing BJ, and make it back at the tables.

Then I stopped playing the BJ and stayed at poker after I had to take 20k out to pay for tuition and a vacation.

Suddenly, after a bad run of cards, I was down to 5k.

At nopoint did I lose more than 20% of my actual playing roll in any given run, but it's still 25k i wish i had now that I'm rebuilding.

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this logic/justification is really terrible.
do you see why?


Many a winning poker-player has been fallen by logic like this ("I'd blow some of my winnings on sports-betting/drugs/hookers/expensive toys/-EV games because I could just make it back at the poker-tables).


I'm not trying to rub it in because obviously you've gotten pretty badly clobbered and I do, in fact, feel for you.
But I don't think the reasoning you are using to partly justify (perhaps the wrong word...whatever) your losses is really dangerous.

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Oh no, this is no justification by any means. I'm well aware that every hand I play costs me money, and at a poker table I can only hope to earn my hourly rate and nothing more.

In reality I had hoped that the slim house edge would not have the drastic effect it has had.

The real point is that I'm a total moron for overplaying my bankroll at the BJ tables and I wanted to help stop others from doing the same by explaining that if you just delete the graphics files that hold the buttons for Blackjack you can no longer access the Blackjack site.

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I dont see why anybody is arguing with you Gamblor. If it saves you money/pain etc. then do it. Logic is not the answer to everything..

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Because it's staring you in the face

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Bingo.

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BJ online is very -EV. First of all, they reshuffle the decks after every deal and they use from 4-8 decks. This basically takes away most of a good player's advantage.

Plus, since you don't actually see them reshuffle, unconsciously, you might think 1 deal has a relationship to the previous deal.

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How many home runs do you have?

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I dunno, this is over a span of 4 months, but there is a 25k discrepancy between my PT stats and my actual account #s, taking into account withdrawals, tourneys, and non-holdem games.

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I prefer games where you can actually win longrun

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Because it's staring you in the face I suppose it's harder to resist the urge to play it. An analogy could be drawn to a guy who likes to snort coke but knows it is against his own best interests to do so. He also knows he has a harder time resisting the impulse to snort coke if he is staring at a pile of it for an hour or so than if it is not in his site. Out of site out of mind so to speak.

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Yes..this makes sense.


I do play live blackjack occasionally I'll admit (usually card-counting so it's at least even EV) and sometimes even roulette since my GF likes that stupid game.
but I always bet the minimum and don't have those same urges to bet higher and higher.

I guess I just value my money too much in a way.

I used to deal blackjack for a few months and have seen how some people react to 'the rush' (or whatever you want to call it) and the compulsion to just keep betting higher and higher.
If they're winning then it's "riding the wave" (or hot streak).
If they're losing then it's "getting back what I lost the last hand" (some kind of double-up when you lose type system perhaps).


The psychology of all that stuff is kind of interesting to me.

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Bingo.

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I hope your Grandma doesn't knit, after all those needles are pretty darn sharp.

Jimbo

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This is similar to the Side Bet optioin.

I put $10 in while playing the BBJP tables a couple weeks ago. Ran the $10 up to $40 playing $1 bets, and then lost $10 in 10 hands. Nuff is nuff. Haven't played it again. Never would have thought about it if it wasn't RIGHT THERE.

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IMO the only real sleaze here is the fact that Party will not block it or tell players how. Obviously the first day people figured it out here. I wonder if Party will figure out a way to block the ability for deleting tht images to work. Short term gold mine for Party, future downfall.

I know from a Granny post a while back Paradise will block it, any sportsbook will too, whats Party's excuse? Ah greed and no care for the players.

I still find it laughable I was blocked for a week because of a supposed "gambling addiction" but yet Party pulls this sleaze.

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you're an idiot,
learn some self control man, it's not hard to see the image and simply "not click on it." If you have no self control to avoid -EV games, then that's your own fault, not pp's. Stop acting like a little kid and take responsibility for your own stupidity and stop trying to blame others.

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This is mostly what I was thinking too.

I understand the whole bit about 'because it's right there' for some addicts.
But I still don't seeing it being very different from the fact that the 100/200 poker-games are 'right there' too.

For many fish at the low-limits, the 5/10 and 10/20 tables are 'right there'.
They get on a nice little run at 1/2 and 2/4....then move up that same night to 5/10...and then to 10/20. and then lose it all. And repeat the whole thing the next night.
They keep trying at 10/20 with their 15 BB's because they know they are a winning player.


without these options being 'right there' we wouldn't have any fish in our particular limits' poker games to begin with.
In this case the fish are the ones with really bad self-control. (not only playing too high stakes....but also not having any patience at the tables and always playing 50% of the flop or more).

It shouldn't be any different with the blackjack or side-bet things as it is with higher stakes poker or the various satellites, steps and other high-ish entry tournaments.

If it's not in your best interest to play sats or steps or blackjack or side-bets or high-stakes then just don't do it.

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IMO the only real sleaze here is the fact that Party will not block it or tell players how. Obviously the first day people figured it out here. I wonder if Party will figure out a way to block the ability for deleting tht images to work. Short term gold mine for Party, future downfall.

I know from a Granny post a while back Paradise will block it, any sportsbook will too, whats Party's excuse? Ah greed and no care for the players.

I still find it laughable I was blocked for a week because of a supposed "gambling addiction" but yet Party pulls this sleaze.

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you're an idiot,
learn some self control man, it's not hard to see the image and simply "not click on it." If you have no self control to avoid -EV games, then that's your own fault, not pp's. Stop acting like a little kid and take responsibility for your own stupidity and stop trying to blame others.

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Idiot? For explaining the theory of many? I havent lost a penny in it, It does not mean I think it is any less sleazy. Bob has a good point though, the casino isnt going to ban you and Party doesnt have that responsibility either, it doesnt make their greedy move any better though. Their refusal to remove the game as I said before however is not industry standard.

How many fish have been losing their weeks worth of poker money in 10 minutes of BJ? These players may not even know how to find online blackjack. Dont give stupid fish too much credit. They also may not be able to fund it since Party accepts phone cards (basically accept all credit cards, western union and other methods not widely accepted) thus Party is fleecing many fish before they can go make the games juicy.

This is my beef with it, the other reasons are just icing on the cake. I've said it before I think Stars will be beating them in the long run, maybe even in the next 6 months. Stars already leads in tournament players.

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A 25k lesson

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lol

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I paid less for a software engineering degree. However, I think OP wins on ROI.

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can anyone say Gamblers Annonymous

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dudes username is Gamblor and all...

To the OP, sorry to hear about your troubles with party blackjack, I havent heard a success story yet...

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I've played zero hands of Party Blackjack.
Success!