AQ on scary board
 

It's early in a session but I can see that the button plays any two cards and calls down with any piece of the board. UTG and BB haven't done much of anything yet -- just along for the ride so far.


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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero...?

Do we like this flop or not?

Re: AQ on scary board
 

We do not. Everyone's gonna have a reason to call this board even if they aren't loosies like Button, so we don't have enough to value-raise and we're likely not taking this down before the river UI. A bunch of our outs are very tainted and we're really vulnerable to redraws. I'm checking here and probably folding pending what the action is.

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I don't like it. If you pair your cards, you're looking at best against str8, at worst, flush. Given your read of the button, he could easily have a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] he's not laying down. You could probably bet here and fold the other two(given your pre-flop raise) I would probably give it a shot and lead out, see what happens. After that... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: AQ on scary board
 

If you were ever going to dump a hand immediately after a PFR, this is the hand to dump.

If the board were monotone but ragged, I could see firing one bet out there on the flop in an effort to pick up the pot. There is no way in hell that will work with this board. Just give up and go on to the next hand.

Re: AQ on scary board
 

Maybe a leak of mine. I generally like to bet out when I'm the pf raiser when a scary board flops. Not saying that I do it all the time, but hey, if it works (in this case)more that 12.5% of the time, it's worth it.....right????[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: AQ on scary board
 

Like I said, I use this play sometimes as well. I just doubt that it works that often on this particular board and these particular opponents.

Re: AQ on scary board
 

Gotcha.

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...a scary board...

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If this is scary, Roseanne naked is a picnic.

Re: AQ on scary board
 

I don't like this flop at all. Calling a bet on this flop is spewing. Obviusly a late position bet would be sound strategy in some situations, since hero is SB, this won't work. Check and fold.

Re: AQ on scary board
 

hero is check/folding.

It's ok. These hands happen at times.

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Check fold, this flop sucks. Even when you do hit your gutshot, you're praying for no more hearts. That is if someone doesn't even already have the flush.

Re: AQ on scary board
 

Well I auto-bet out, but I was wishing there was an Undo button right afterwards. I'm convinced now that checking is better. Anyway, here's what happened next:


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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero...

So now, nobody's shown any strength, I improved, but there's a four-straight and an overcard on board. Button will call down with a J,9,A-high or the 3 of purple horseshoes, but UTG is still hanging around and I'm pretty readless on him. So do I bet and fold to a raise? Or just check/fold now?

Re: AQ on scary board
 

I check/fold the flop. Anything that improves me most likely improves someone else.

3 to a flush, and 4 to a straight on the board, makes 2nd pair and an overpair pretty worthless. Check fold the turn.

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This flop is definately miserable for the hand you hold. An unpaired hand with one overcard on a monotone board with open-enders galore is not the kind of hand I am going to be playing against multiple opponents. You are not going to fold out anyone with a respectable heart and may be drawing dead to the flush or up against a made straight already. I would check and drop this for anything coming back my way.

Re: AQ on scary board
 

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Maybe a leak of mine. I generally like to bet out when I'm the pf raiser when a scary board flops. Not saying that I do it all the time, but hey, if it works (in this case)more that 12.5% of the time, it's worth it.....right????[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I used to do this all the time but I found that when you bet flops like these after you've raised preflop, it's when even passive players are more likely to bluff or semi-bluff and raise it back to you. I might lead or bluff-checkraise if it's just the preflop raiser, myself, and one other opponent but I don't think you're folding out three opponent on this flop. I think it's just tossing money away.