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Drontier 12-22-2005 04:02 PM

Is this worth peeling?
 
This seems to happen to me unusally frequently...
Raise AhQh, button defends(button checkraises here only if he has a pair of 7 or better).

Flop Kh7d2c
We get checkraised... is this worth peeling?

12-22-2005 04:16 PM

Re: Is this worth peeling?
 
I don't think so.

AviD 12-22-2005 04:17 PM

Re: Is this worth peeling?
 
[ QUOTE ]
This seems to happen to me unusally frequently...
Raise AhQh, button defends(button checkraises here only if he has a pair of 7 or better).

Flop Kh7d2c
We get checkraised... is this worth peeling?


[/ QUOTE ]

I'm confused, how can the button checkraise?

I think you are saying you have position and are on the button and raise the blinds? Or you are raising a limper? Significant difference IMO.

If you KNOW he isn't CRing without a 7 or better, then...

Generally I don't continue here unless I have some specific read on the player and his CR standards given this uncoordinated board. You have a backdoor draw and possible overcard outs. He could be CRing A7 or some Kx or even a pocket. If you are behind to a K you are drawing to 3 outs, if you are sharing an A in the hole, you are still drawing to 3 outs with the Q but can't press when you hit the card in fear of being behind to the K.

So even if you improve, it may improve him as well. I think it's a fold, especially if you are behind to some x7, 88+.

Say its HU and he is the BB, you raised PF..so 4.5SB in the pot, you bet, he CRs you are getting 7.5:1 on your call. At best, even if you have 6 clean outs...you are getting nearly 7:1 so it would be a call to see the turn IF you knew those outs were clean or had a more solid read on the player (i.e knew he'd wait for the turn to CR a flopped K).

7ontheline 12-22-2005 04:43 PM

Re: Is this worth peeling?
 
Well, you have your answer for sure if you are certain he only checkraises a decent or better hand, as AviD explained. The obvious problem is that a lot of players will c/r draws, pairs, or even air plenty of the time and you'll get run over if you keep folding to flop checkraises. Against a straightforward player on this dry board, fold. It's read-dependent against most players though.

Drontier 12-22-2005 07:49 PM

Re: Is this worth peeling?
 
oops... I thought I wrote big blind defends. I just meant against 7s on up, do I have odds to continue with 1, maybe 2 overcards and 2 backdoor outs?

12-22-2005 10:40 PM

Re: Is this worth peeling?
 
I'd peel it. It's close. Fold without the backdoor.


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