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imitation 12-26-2005 12:03 PM

60k hand stats
 
I got a new DB a couple of months ago and just finished playing 62k hands so far in it at 5/10 6max, I've already had one 350+BB downswing in this DB but just recovering from it momentarily with a nice 200BB upswing. My question is not about the usual game stats though I might post them if there's interest. It's more this tidbit that's got me confused, worried about my game. Filtered for exactly 6 players I have 30k hands, with a WR of 2.6BB/100. with exactly 5 players 20k hands with and i'm up 30BB for that patch. Exactly 4 players 8k hands -29BB. Exactly 3 players 2.6k hands -46BB. Finally HU 819 hands -36BB. Total BB/100 a not entirely awe inspiring 1.09.

So should I just be leaving the tables as soon as they only have 5 players, seems like I just suck very SH. FWIW I play tight, for this patch I am 21.86/16.45.

12-26-2005 12:23 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
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I am 21.86/16.45.

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Is that filtered for just 6 handed?

Digs 12-26-2005 12:24 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
FWIW for samples under 50k (your 4 and under is like 11k) WR's mean pretty much nothing. Also the shorter it gets, the looser you get, and the more variant WR's become. Basically, if you want to look at stats from those samples, WR isn't the greatest to check.

That being said, what's your VPIP look like as the game gets shorter? What's your ATSB? Fold SB/BB to steal?

You need to be very solid in your button/blind play to play short well (I did a good bit of time at 5/10 playing HU and 3-4 handed and it helped my game a ton, I suck way less now at 2-4 handed now [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])

12-26-2005 12:25 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
I'm not a good SH player, but I'd guess that your tightness is costing you as the table shortens. You must play a lot more hands, b/c you're simply not getting enough playable hands before the blinds come around. Maybe try playing some HU, or playing on a site that only offers 5max.

imitation 12-26-2005 12:35 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
VPIP PFR WtSD, W$SD by players at table
6h - 18.8/13.7 33.3/55.5
5h - 21.6/16.2 30.8/52.5
4h - 26.7/20.9 29.6/54
3h - 34.5/26.8 28.3/51.2
HU - 53/45.7 30.7/43.8

I dunno if my blind play sucks or not, altogher for those 62k hands i'm losing 0.05 in the SB and 0.17 in the BB.

On further appreciation I think my post sucks WR really can't be determine much I just also noticed my MP is winning more than my CO and Button, so clearly i'm just looking for patterns now.

imported_leader 12-26-2005 01:16 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
You should try to improve your very SH'ed game and pick you're spots to play very SH'ed. There's a ton of money to be made playing HU was a 80/10 guy if everyone else leaves the table even if it's just for 10-15 hands. However, when ever I end up HU vs. someone half decent I just leave.

Some links on HU:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/remlin...mp;Main=3753827

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/remlin...mp;Main=3775281

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...mp;Main=4198741

imported_leader 12-26-2005 01:22 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
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VPIP PFR WtSD, W$SD by players at table
6h - 18.8/13.7 33.3/55.5
5h - 21.6/16.2 30.8/52.5
4h - 26.7/20.9 29.6/54
3h - 34.5/26.8 28.3/51.2
HU - 53/45.7 30.7/43.8

I dunno if my blind play sucks or not, altogher for those 62k hands i'm losing 0.05 in the SB and 0.17 in the BB.

On further appreciation I think my post sucks WR really can't be determine much I just also noticed my MP is winning more than my CO and Button, so clearly i'm just looking for patterns now.

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You're too tight, IMO. There's a post by Nate about what your VPiP should be from 6 handed to HU. I don't have time to find it right now. It might be in the sticky. If you haven't found it by the time I get home tonight, I'll find it.

imported_leader 12-26-2005 07:44 PM

Re: 60k hand stats
 
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VPIP PFR WtSD, W$SD by players at table
6h - 18.8/13.7 33.3/55.5
5h - 21.6/16.2 30.8/52.5
4h - 26.7/20.9 29.6/54
3h - 34.5/26.8 28.3/51.2
HU - 53/45.7 30.7/43.8

I dunno if my blind play sucks or not, altogher for those 62k hands i'm losing 0.05 in the SB and 0.17 in the BB.

On further appreciation I think my post sucks WR really can't be determine much I just also noticed my MP is winning more than my CO and Button, so clearly i'm just looking for patterns now.

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You're too tight, IMO. There's a post by Nate about what your VPiP should be from 6 handed to HU. I don't have time to find it right now. It might be in the sticky. If you haven't found it by the time I get home tonight, I'll find it.

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vpip

while it is often debated, vpip has limitations as far as analyzing your play. It can be affected by too many variables to be relied on for drawing specific conclusions. Most of the time a detailed analysis of your stats broken down by position will be much more beneficial. That said, vpip can be useful in spotting problems so here are some general comments about it.

vpip must be considered in the context of how many people are seated at the table. Nate tha’ great posted these stats for his shorthanded play:

2-handed 55% vpip
3-handed 46% vpip
4-handed 36% vpip
5-handed 29% vpip
6-handed 25% vpip

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