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etizzle 10-30-2005 06:05 PM

middle limit holdem
 
I can't believe that this piece of trash was ever published. They give consistent and unquestionably terrible advice. I think this is the worst book on hold 'em i have ever read.

What the hell were briar and ciaffone thinking?

MCS 10-30-2005 06:43 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
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I think this is the worst book on hold 'em i have ever read.

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You must not have read very many.

benkahuna 10-30-2005 06:54 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
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I can't believe that this piece of trash was ever published. They give consistent and unquestionably terrible advice. I think this is the worst book on hold 'em i have ever read.

What the hell were briar and ciaffone thinking?

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Tight aggressive play using pot odds, implied odds and considering context of hand including player types and board texture... Based on real hands.

Yeah, what terrible advice... That's no way to play poker at all.

etizzle 10-30-2005 07:09 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
it has you fold overpairs almost every time the flop is reraised.

it also has you fold AJ on a J high monotone board for one raise on the flop.

And it has you fold AT on a T98 board after it goes bet-raise into you.

This is making me sick.

benkahuna 10-30-2005 07:24 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
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it has you fold overpairs almost every time the flop is reraised.

it also has you fold AJ on a J high monotone board for one raise on the flop.

And it has you fold AT on a T98 board after it goes bet-raise into you.

This is making me sick.

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I think those are borderline calls at low limit. At middle limit, seems fine to me. I guess you don't much care for folding when it looks likely you're beat?

MCS 10-30-2005 08:19 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
What other books have you read?

bobbyi 10-30-2005 08:58 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
I think this is a really good book. In the games this book was written for, these were good plays. It sounds like you play in games that play differently. Fine. But it is asinine to flame a book for being written for different kinds of opponents than you are used to, particularly if the games you play in are the online midlimit games that didn't even exist at the time this book was written.

Mason Malmuth 10-30-2005 10:32 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
Hi bobbyi:

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In the games this book was written for, these were good plays.

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In middle limit games where many players are capable of overly aggressive play, in my opinion these specific plays are anything but good plays.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 10-30-2005 10:35 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
Hi benkahuna:

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I guess you don't much care for folding when it looks likely you're beat?

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If you're thinking like this, especially at middle limit, you're not going to do very well. That's because there is a little something known as the size of the pot that comes into play.

Best wishes,
Mason

Mason Malmuth 10-30-2005 10:36 PM

Re: middle limit holdem
 
Hi MCS:

That's certainly true.

best wishes,
mason


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