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flawless_victory 11-17-2005 08:10 AM

KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
i open black KQ in LP.
guy who who ive never played w/ before calls in BB...
he bought in 5K and folded every hand for his first orbit (i think).
anyways, HU.

flop A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]X [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
check.bet.call

turn comes A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
check.ibet, he thinks about 10 secs and calls.

river 3c
he checks and now its my turn....


what is my best play?
if i bet and he raises, should i fold/call/reraise?

elindauer 11-17-2005 08:22 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
hi flawless,

some thoughts:

You might have been better off checking behind on the turn and calling his river bet. You likely win the same from made / missed draws, while losing less to a hand with an ace in it. It's unlikely that he holds a hand that will fold if you bet but which also has very many outs against you.

Given the way you played it, I'm inclined to check behind on the turn. Note that if you do this, then it provides even more merit for checking the turn to induce a bluff, since you are only planning to get 1 BB from a weaker king anyways.

I think you can bet and get called by weaker hands, but you'll also run into tricky aces and of course rivered flushes when you bet, cutting into the value quite a bit. If you do choose to bet and are raised, you can only beat a bluff, so you have to decide if an unknown will bluff raise here often enough to justify a call. Hard to say, you'd have to ask someone with more 100/200 experience. I'd guess the answer is that it's close. If it were up to me, I'd fold to a raise.

good luck.
eric

11-17-2005 09:22 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
I'm checking here. I dont like him calling that turn card and then seeing the flush card get there on the river. I think he's either slow playing three aces or he's made his flush. I think you're best line is a check/call. I dont think that a worse hand is calling a river bet, but I really think a better one is raising here, all the time. Check call, and see what he shows down, you dont have info on him yet, but you will now.

Why are you playing $1.00/$2.00 limit poker? I thought this was a high stakes forum.


Thick.......




Tex

tongni 11-17-2005 09:50 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
I bet pretty quickly and don't think about it too much. If anything, the fact that he paused so much on the turn makes me want to bet more, because a flush draw usually knows what he's doing by the turn. Anyways, somehow I have a feeling this sort of player isn't going to bluff the river, so good turn bet.

DeeJ 11-17-2005 10:11 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
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I think you're best line is a check/call.

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He's in position, he can check behind. That's what I'd do as the flush draw and the slow-played Ace are possible. There's not much you beat he'd call with (worse Kx)?

Jeffage 11-17-2005 10:18 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
Bet. He'll call with worse kings and he seems intent to not raise a weak ace if that's his holding. Seems like an easy VB esp. if you see him as scared money. But yea, I'm betting and seeing what it collects.

Also, people that are taking a shot would typically take the gimme bet if they make the flush bc they're afraid you'll check. Or he'd pref bet-calling because he doesn't want to put in 3 bets if you happen to have the monster boat.

Jeff

DeeJ 11-17-2005 10:21 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
you fold to a raise, right?

Jeffage 11-17-2005 10:22 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
Yes.

Jeff

11-17-2005 10:26 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
Reading posts this early in the a.m. is difficult for my weery eyes....

check/check...

flawless_victory 11-17-2005 10:28 AM

Re: KQo. PARTY 1/2. RIVER.
 
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if you see him as scared money.

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i did think this to some extent.


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