Stars VIP + Turbos vs Party sngs
 

Ok given that the Stars VIP program is out and that offical RB is dead on Party and so is there VIP program, is anyone going to be moving to Stars and playing on there turbos or other sngs?

Does anyone have any good online resources or posts which highlight the strategy differences between the stars turboes and the Party sngs?

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So no one is doing this?

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Poker Stars from here on out. My sample shows avg. time of turbos of 43min so very close to Party time. Not much going on at the high levels but under $60s plenty of cash to take.

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I haven't decided yet. Maybe I'll try it when I start playing the $55s as my main game. If I play any lower than that, I won't be able to sustain Platinum status on Stars.

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Not much going on at the high levels

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This could change now too - who knows.

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Great, like the $60s at PS aren't tough enough (for me). All I need now is a massive 2+2 migration.

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You mean in regards to the tables filling up?

Are there any good strategy articles about the differences between the Stars turboes and the Party sngs?

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You mean in regards to the tables filling up?

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Sure, I would think the new VIP stuff would appeal to the high-limit players even more than the low ones. They're the ones that would benefit most from the free tournament entries and whatnot. I wouldn't expect an immediate mass exodus from Party to Stars, but I woul think that they would be some difference. I dunno; it's all conjecture, but it makes sense to me.

I've never played the Party SNGs, but isn't it just the same thing with twice as many chips? In the beginning, I'd think you could train yourself in a way just but diviing all the numbers by 2 in your head. And maybe it'd be worthwhile to play a table or two less at first while you get used to the structure. It's still poker - it's not like you're playing a different game.

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I started playing some PP $22s this month (after having played mostly PS turbos). Average tourney time on PP is within 10 seconds of average tourney time on PS. Small sample size at PP, of course.

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Well the main differences between Stars turbos and Party are:

* Stars blinds up every 5 mins, Party up every 10 hands. I guess this means more play late on, on Stars.

* The stars blinds seem to increase alot more late on, whereas Party has a more gradual increase

* People seem to spite call more on the bubble on Stars

* On stars there is a huge gap bewteen early blind levels and late ones. I.e you have 10/20 blinds and 1500 chips vs 800 and 10/15.

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* On stars there is a huge gap bewteen early blind levels and late ones. I.e you have 10/20 blinds and 1500 chips vs 800 and 10/15.

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That's just one extra level. Heck, you could probably sit it out without significantly affecting your results if you wanted to. The second level at Stars (15/30 @ 1500) is roughly equivalent to the first level at Party. Just go from there. Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't see how the games can be that different. Get bubble play down to a science, and I'm sure you'll be a big winner at either site.

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* People seem to spite call more on the bubble on Stars

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I know it's frustrating, but theoretically, the spite callers are making mistakes. Learn to make those mistakes help you. Maybe it means playing a tad tighter at Stars, and letting your opponents get spite called. Maybe it means taking better notes at Stars and learning who the spite callers are. While it seems monstrous at times, the players pool is finite. Study your opponents. Play poker and adjust.

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* The stars blinds seem to increase alot more late on, whereas Party has a more gradual increase

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The blinds do get astronomical at times on Stars, I'll give you that. Games routinely reach the 400/800 blind level at Stars. Probably a third of them. Unless your stacks are almost exactly even heads up, it's probably close to optimal to go all-in and call all-in every time with blinds this large. Learn to live with heads up being a 50-50 proposition (your real money comes from the bubble anyway). Occasionally you'll run into a super-passive opponent that you can run over at these blind levels.

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I agree with you that the games should be very similar but i have not had good results at the Stars turbos. I have played about 300 $27 there and i am down quite a bit. Now maybe it is variance but i seem to suck at them.

So there must be some difference i just cannot figure out exactly what that is.

BTW i sent you a PM (UM Terp)

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Thinking about it, some of it might be a comfort zone thing. On party i know exactly when to push etc, i have yet to figure that out on Stars. So i suppose it might be as simple as adjusting back. I am sure i had the same problems orignally when i moved from Stars to Party.

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Thinking about it, some of it might be a comfort zone thing. On party i know exactly when to push etc, i have yet to figure that out on Stars. So i suppose it might be as simple as adjusting back. I am sure i had the same problems orignally when i moved from Stars to Party.

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I found the games much quicker (busy screen, things happening, cards flying, etc.) at PP when I tried them earlier this month. But, I also started off on a heater. Maybe some of your results are due to an adjustment, but I think more likely just normal variance.

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I agree some of it was variance but i am unsure if the entire thing was.

Regardless the games must be beatable i am just going to have to work hard to adjust my game for them. So look foward to numerous hh posts from me for Stars turboes in the new year.