yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

I'm really lost on this hand, no reads as both players are new to the table, MP seems donkish, and I'm putting him on the flush draw, but I'm lost on BB..What's your play?

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SB ($79)
BB ($222.30)
UTG ($295)
UTG+1 ($89.20)
MP1 ($198)
Hero ($356.80)
MP3 ($72)
CO ($223.15)
Button ($202.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $6, MP1 calls $6.

Flop: ($33) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $19</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $48</font>, MP1 calls $48, <font color="#CC3333">Hero??

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

I dont know which one is which, but I probably still fold.

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

gah, sorry edited it...

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

I'd certainly bet more on the flop. You are probably beat.

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

I bet full pot on the flop and avoid this tough spot.

The way it's played, I don't want to fold but I think calling will be a leak.

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

Very tough situation. Folding is weak, but probably the best move. MP1 either has a monster or he's fishing for his flush, maybe flush + ISD. You would want to raise him to make him pay to draw, but BB just raised you, so he may have a set, and if you reraise, he will win lots from you, while you stand to gain much less if both players fold to your reraise.

An argument could be made for calling, reevalutating on the turn if a blank falls. It's only $30 more to you and there's much more than that in the pot, but there's a really strong chance that you're beat and you need to be able to fold on a later street if either play continues to show any strength.

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

bet pot and flop and you have nothing to worry about.

as stands just fold.

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

this is one of those low limit NL hands.. that MP flat call kind of scares me but also makes me think that if you call and the turn is a blank, no spade, his reaction then is truly how you can guage your opponents supposed "flush draw". he could have spiked top set and even in a three way pot if he is positive someone is on a flush draw and both players have their money in the middle he has odds to call and hope for the board to pair or hit the case Q.

im probably calling the flop bet with all the money in the middle its really making it tough on you to fold here.. the turn is a non spade, if its checked around to me im pushing, if theres action before you.. im not so sure about it.. but i dont think folding on the flop is correct either because you dont have enough information to justify a fold unless you have good information on both of those players and are sure you're beat.

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but i dont think folding on the flop is correct either because you dont have enough information to justify a fold

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bet, raise, cold call

enough for me i'm peacing out.

Re: yuck, tough KK decision 1/2nl
 

not for me at this buy in, I call flop and evaluate turn