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Unarmed 11-23-2005 05:45 PM

$109s - AQ River Snap?
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO (t1195)
Button (t975)
SB (t925)
BB (t1025)
UTG (t940)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t940)
Hero (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t45.

Flop: (t142.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t142.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t142.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets t125</font>, Hero ???

durron597 11-23-2005 05:56 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
I pretty much always bet this turn.

ilya 11-23-2005 06:02 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
do you have any history with this player? does the average 109er make the call on the river with Ace-high? i think it all comes down to whether he thinks that you think that he thinks you almost certainly have just Ace-high. if that's the average level of thinking for a 109er then I'd probably fold, but if you think he just thinks you have Ace-high, then I'd call. i'd also call if you think that he thinks that you think that he thinks you have Ace-high, but will fold to a bet because you think that he wouldn't bluff there knowing that you think that he thinks you have Ace-high.

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P.S. I would fold here because for some reason I really think he has a set of 2s.

11-23-2005 06:04 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
I also will usually bet the turn here. As for the river, it feels like every time I talk myself into calling one of these bets I lose. I play the 55's so that's a bit different but same ballpark anyhow.

tigerite 11-23-2005 06:04 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
I'd fold the river for sure here.

Irieguy 11-23-2005 06:24 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
The reason you check the turn is to get him to bet 90-140 chips on the river... right?

Nice work.

You raise, he folds. You think "I am the greatest SNG player alive. I sincerely feel sorry for these poor folks. I wonder if I should stay in Thailand for 1 or 2 months."

Irieguy

ilya 11-23-2005 06:30 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
[ QUOTE ]
The reason you check the turn is to get him to bet 90-140 chips on the river... right?

Nice work.

You raise, he folds. You think "I am the greatest SNG player alive. I sincerely feel sorry for these poor folks. I wonder if I should stay in Thailand for 1 or 2 months."

Irieguy

[/ QUOTE ]

Why are you raising rather than calling? To avoid a showdown?

Bonafone 11-23-2005 06:30 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
Hero folds.

I fire about 75-100 at the flop about 85% of the time, but if I don't bet the flop then I definately bet around 100 on the turn when checked to.

Unarmed 11-23-2005 06:34 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
[ QUOTE ]
The reason you check the turn is to get him to bet 90-140 chips on the river... right?


[/ QUOTE ]

Ya that and:

- I don't mind taking a free card with 10 winning outs.
- My flop check loosens his turn calling range up enough that I don't think I have enough FE over hands I'm actually behind to bother betting.

Add em all up and its an easy chck?

11-23-2005 06:49 PM

Re: $109s - AQ River Snap?
 
Does your flop check really loosen his turn call range that much? I could see many hands folding the turn that are ahead of you myself, maybe I really am too weak-tight? Then again maybe I'm too predictable. In a spot like this I usually figure my opponent has checked twice so he wants to give me the pot, I have pretty much crap myself and with that draw heavy board if he wants to give me the pot now then I'll gladly take it.


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