10/20 AA
 

Villain is not known but he was on several tables and seemed TAGgish.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">I bet</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
I check, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">I bet</font>

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wow, i really really don't like the turn c/r

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whats the point of the turn CR? looks like there is no reason to get fancy here...lead the turn, id hate to see a spade get a free-bee that beats me when they will gladly call a bet.

-mike

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This looks like a mea cupla post Jason. You probably didn't want to get raised on the turn, so you checked. When it was bet, you raised with the excuse of you can get it heads up and you might have the best hand (which is why you should have led). The river was Clark rearing his ugly head in a hand that was played so oddly, any spade is calling you.

- Jim

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The turn play seems like anti-poker. I can't think of a worse board to pull this one on.

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Interesting line. Seems as though once he doesn't three bet the turn you are likely ahead. I think I like it quite a bit.

SGS

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The turn play seems like anti-poker. I can't think of a worse board to pull this one on.

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This is a great post.

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Everyone's caught up in how bad the turn is, I think we're overlooking the horrible river bet.

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Everyone's caught up in how bad the turn is, I think we're overlooking the horrible river bet.

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Far from horrible. His opponent won't bet a Q but he'll probably call with one. Are you suggested check-fold instead?

I like to c/r the turn more than most, I think, but I don't like it on this board.

Rob

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More thoughts.

This board makes it really hard for a worse hand to pay you off and you've just walked face first into like 127 hands that beat you. If you were trying to fold somebody it's a cute idea, but you've got like aces and stuff.

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Everyone's caught up in how bad the turn is, I think we're overlooking the horrible river bet.

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Far from horrible. His opponent won't bet a Q but he'll probably call with one. Are you suggested check-fold instead?

I like to c/r the turn more than most, I think, but I don't like it on this board.

Rob

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Yea, I think he should check fold the river. He's already WAY overplayed his hand and now he got a SH!T river card.

I feel like so often we fall into the "worse hands will call if we bet but check if we check, so we should bet" mentality, without realizing that not enough worse hands call so that plan is -EV too. Sometimes betting and check-calling are -EV, so check-folding, for 0 EV, is the best we can do.

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Since MP1 didn’t 3-bet the turn, perhaps he has a baby flush or a single spade. He’s almost sure to have a flush with the 4th spade on the river.

Given your Turn CR, he’s got to be thinking you filled up. But with 10+ BB in the pot, he’s going to pay you off.

BUT, there is a chance he just has trip Ts &amp; was semi-bluffing on the Turn. That may be why he didn’t 3-bet the turn and was drawing for the boat. If that’s the case, he may fold to the River bet. If that was your line, I can understand the River bet.

SP

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Everyone's caught up in how bad the turn is, I think we're overlooking the horrible river bet.

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Far from horrible. His opponent won't bet a Q but he'll probably call with one. Are you suggested check-fold instead?

I like to c/r the turn more than most, I think, but I don't like it on this board.

Rob

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Yea, I think he should check fold the river. He's already WAY overplayed his hand and now he got a SH!T river card.

I feel like so often we fall into the "worse hands will call if we bet but check if we check, so we should bet" mentality, without realizing that not enough worse hands call so that plan is -EV too. Sometimes betting and check-calling are -EV, so check-folding, for 0 EV, is the best we can do.

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Pot big. Jason has AA. He is HU against a guy who hasn't done anything particularly aggressive and seems as likely to be in calldown mode as to be drawing.

You really think check/folding on a non-Q river is a good idea getting 11:1 after the guy just called Jason's turn CR just because 4-liner spades came off?

scrub

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a guy who hasn't done anything particularly aggressive and seems as likely to be in calldown mode as to be drawing

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Then I think we lose. Do you think he'll bet a Q if we check? Do you think he'll bet red KJ? I think our turn check raise protects us from that.

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I don't like the turn c/r. You are giving a free shot for a small spade to draw on you.