Who are the dumbest poker professionals?
 

I remember reading the thread about who Sklansky thought were the smartest professionals, and I don't know if this has been brought up, so I am asking who are the dumbest professionals?

I am talking about the players who have managed to become big money makers or famous, but who would be incapable of suceeding in any other profession requiring half a brain. Perhaps they are severly overrated, or perhaps they are statistical anomolies, but they make you go: if he can do it, anybody can!

I am bringing this up because I was watching one of the "Poker Insight" DVD's and saw TJ Cloutier spazz out on Greg Raymer who was explaining the use of pot odds and the chances of an oponent bluffing for deciding to call on the river. It's like Cloutier has no mathematical clue whatsoever. Yet he is the top money maker in tournaments. Then Men "The Master" Nguyen gave sophmoric advice for beginning low stakes players which seemed to take 10 minutes to explain (and I am not talking about a language barrier either).

And of course there must be players who you think are just having their 15 minutes of fame for some fluke outcomes at a tournament and conveniently being on tv at the same time.

So you have heard my two picks. Who do you think?

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Vinny Vinh has to be near the top of the list.

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I don't know if he is dumb or not, but Phil Laak sounds like he has been dropping acid for the last 10 years.

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I don't know if he is dumb or not, but Phil Laak sounds like he has been dropping acid for the last 10 years.

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most borderline geniuses speak like that...cut the guy a little slack.

btw-little acid never heard anyone

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Phil Laak is not dumb, even Barry Greenstein credited him for a part of his book.

plus he's buddy buddy with Antonio. that's 1.4 dude.

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Hoyt Corkins, Scotty Nguyen, and Josh Arieh

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mike the mouth!

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Mike Matusow

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Varkonyi - for thinking he is one.

-ZEN

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women are definitely the dumbest

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I read an article by Laak, and he is actually smart, plus he dates Jennifer Tilly.

Nevertheless, he does act like a drug addict.

Note to self: do drugs, pick up Hollywood chicks.

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I think Mike the Mouth has a very high IQ.

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Note to self: do drugs, WIN AN ASSLOAD OF $$$, pick up Hollywood chicks.

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FYP

-ZEN

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Does he? My impression is that he doesn't.

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Even though Scotty may not be the most erudite individual, if not for poker, I am sure he would be a great success as manager of an adult night club.

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lane flack would make a good blockbuster clerk.

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Tiffany Williamson, I mean shes a woman, and black..

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come to find out she's a lawyer, so disregard that..

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Tiffany Williamson, I mean shes a woman, and black..

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wow...this is so wrong, why can't I stop laughing

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Tiffany Williamson, I mean shes a woman, and black..

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wow...this is so wrong, why can't I stop laughing

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^^ same... lololololll

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Stop acting ignorant folks. There are black people out there smarter than you, you just won't see them in a rap video swiping credit cards between strippers ass cracks.

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lane flack would make a good blockbuster clerk.

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i would say layne flack has some sort of genius to him. the way he play's NLHE, it seems he has some sort of idiot's savant.

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Tiffany Williamson, I mean shes a woman, and black..

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come to find out she's a lawyer, so disregard that..

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I can't decide which is funnier. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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hope it is not you also

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I am neither a good player nor successful in life, so there.

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I remember reading the thread about who Sklansky thought were the smartest professionals

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Why hasn't anyone mentioned Moneymaker?

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Laak is really smart just because he doesn't have a Howard Lederer like demeanor does not make him dumb. he's just a little laid back if ya follow there is genius to be deciphered from what he says. you just have to actually listen

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Why hasn't anyone mentioned Moneymaker?

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I can not believe no one has mentioned Moneymaker yet. Well, at least he was smart enough to milk those endorsement deals.

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I saw Laak openly verbalizing several of his decisions in front of Chan while heads up last year at WSOP. Ok, it wasn't an earth shattering discourse but nonetheless, I still haven't figured out what part of verbalizing his decision in front of the 9(now ten) time world champion he thought would help him. Um, I'm going to cover my face but tell you what i'm thinking.

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Phil Hellmuth shows an amazing lack of understanding of basic poker theory in many of his rants, but it's hard to call him dumb when he's crafted an incredibly marketable image.

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On what basis are you people name checking Moneymaker?

Are we really still perpetuating the myth that he played badly in his WSOP win?

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Laak is really smart just because he doesn't have a Howard Lederer like demeanor does not make him dumb. he's just a little laid back if ya follow there is genius to be deciphered from what he says. you just have to actually listen

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what else ya got?

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Moneymaker may not be an amazing poker player, but he can't be a complete [censored]- wasn't he an accountant before he won the ME?

I think Matusow is the dumbest, in an interview he said something along the lines of: "In a 50/50 situation, would you rather have the made hand or the draw?".

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I am neither a good player nor successful in life, so there.

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my peepee stinks.

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T.J. Cloutier was a very good football player - High School Football Coach.
Moneymaker was an accountant - Night manager at Denny's.
Those are my two dumbdest, but I still see them finding employment.

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T.J. Cloutier was a very good football player - High School Football Coach.
Moneymaker was an accountant - Night manager at Denny's.
Those are my two dumbdest, but I still see them finding employment.

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Cloutier went to UC Berkeley for a while. That doesn't make him a genius, but you don't find a whole lot of people that are genuinely dumb there.

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I don't know if he is dumb or not, but Phil Laak sounds like he has been dropping acid for the last 10 years.

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most borderline geniuses speak like that...cut the guy a little slack.

btw-little acid never heard anyone

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A lot of acid can make people eccentric, but certainly not dumb.

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Stop acting ignorant folks. There are black people out there smarter than you, you just won't see them in a rap video swiping credit cards between strippers ass cracks.

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actually, if they are doin this, then they ARE smarter than me.