Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

a crappy dealer shouldn't get ANY tips -

However, there is a lot more to dealing than putting out the cards. Tips should be about running the game, calling the hands correctly, paying attention etc.

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

Ray,

You make a good point about the 5 (or about 17%) additional hands per hour.

From now on, instead of a dollar, I'm only tipping 86 cents per hand.

Sparks

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

$2 an hour including floor people?

Babe, you must not be winning your fair share of pots. 35 hands an hour. 10 players in the game. you should be winning more than 3 hands per hour mathematically. If you adjust for the fact that better players probably win less pots (but more money), you should still be close to 3 pots per hour and therefore 3 dollars per hour in tips to dealers alone.

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

Ray,

The shuffling machines are for the house to make more money. So, the players should expect a drop in rake, but this is not likely since the casino is trying to increase it's take on the game. But, even if they don't pass on the savings to the players, maybe this will entice some more casinos to have a poker room instead of a few rows of slot machines.

As for the dealers, they are entitled to make a living wage. So, to calculate what you think they should be making you take the 90 hands and divide that into the hourly rate you believe they should be making. Furthermore, if dealer tips do move up, just like any other profession, the competition for dealers competing for jobs will bring us the better dealers.

Oh yeah, when are you ever going to Las Vegas again or even come here to Illinois? I could lead you to places where there is some real good food. There still might be hope for you.

Good Luck

Mark

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

Pokerbabe,

If everyone tipped like you, and the house was dealing 90 hands an hour, I'd give up playing poker and become a dealer.

Good Luck

Mark

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

In theory, the professional player is also making 17% more per hour from the extra hands played, and the casino makes more in rake. Why shouldn't the dealer benefit as well?

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

I guess the same argument could be said for not leaving a tip at Sizzler or Souplantation, the "service" is limited. My opinion is(and keep in mind, Im a very important person to ask about these things cause my word is worth its weight in say air) this is something that America will never rid itself of no matter how much things are automated, people in the food industry, or service industry will always make minimum wage, or close to it, because employers argue that they receive tips and this keeps the labor cost down. Mot people I assume are like me, even with bad service, I feel obliged to leave some gratuity for food, not because they deserve it, but because everyone does, and thats what keeps the tip train going, expectation.

So, unless the country, or a large part of it wakes up one day and says "Tips are for GOOD service", I dont really see any or much change.

BTW, very good idea for thought Ray.

tobdog

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

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Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

I think that toking dealers by the hand can encourage some of them to want to deal as efficiently as possible, so that they get the most money possible (and those deserve the money, since they are making you more money). Of course, most dealers are too retarded to notice any of this, and fail to realize that time = money.

Yikes....most dealers I work are acutely aware of this.
Maybe I just work with bunch of not-too-retarded dealers.

Re: a thought on tipping dealers
 

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Hell, I imagine that dealers could be nearly removed altogether in the near future. Think about it - if you have chips with RFID tags in them, and cards with RFID tags in them, and little "zones" in front of each player where they put their hand and one where they put their bet, it wouldn't take much of a sophisticated computer to keep the game running smoothly - nobody would be able to short the pot, and it could read hands for you to determine who won; any problems with bet sizes or anything else and the computer could turn on a red light to alert a floorman.

All the dealer would have to do is distribute cards and put the cards in the shufflemajigger after each hand (and even that might be able to be automated sometime)

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Actually, what you're thinking is too complicated. There are already totally computerized tables in Florida with no dealer, no cards, no chips. Everything is on a little screen. It's basically party poker with everyone in the same physical room.