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iceman5 12-02-2005 06:16 PM

Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
Here are a few bluffs Ive run the past few days. Whihc of these are good and which suck?

Im getting nothing and have been folding most everything so Im sure I look rockish if any one is paying attention.

1) Live $2/$5 game. Couple limpers and I limp KJ.
Pot $25. Flop 973. Checked to me and I bet $25. Button calls. We are both deep ($1000ish)

Pot $75. Turn 7. I bet $75...Good? Bad?

2) $2/$5 Live.... UTG raises to $25. I call with 44. He has $300 and I have him covered.
Pot $55. Flop KK3. He bets $50 and I call.
Pot $155. Turn J. He bets $30 and I make it $130. Good? Bad?

3) Online..$1/$2 NL 6 max....UTG raises $6. I call with 66. 2 other callers.

Pot $24. Flop 983. UTG check, I check, button bets $10. Folded back to me and I check raise to $40. He calls.

Pot $104. Turn 2. I bet $75....Good? Bad?

captZEEbo1 12-02-2005 06:36 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
1) yuck

2) he's probably not gonna lay down a pair, and not deep enough on river to make the laydown....fold flop

3) this might work, but it'll leave you in a hairy situation on turn if he has JT and decided to keep drawing, but he might've looked you up on flop with QT or QJ which will fold now.

One problem with some of these bluffs that you're doing is that your oop...another problem is that you're probably bluffing the wrong opponents; don't assume people are paying enough attention that you are playing "rockish"

limon 12-02-2005 06:50 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
#1 is good. the the flop is innocuous and the turned 7 is a great card to continue your bluff with.

#2- if you dont have a solid read just move on.

#3- once he calls the cr its over. if he has a draw hell check behind u on turn and you can pick off a bluff w/ ur 66 on the riv if no 5 or T comes.

RikaKazak 12-02-2005 06:59 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
1.) ok, he might have some sort of str8 draw and you could actually be ahead, like vs. T8, and now the board paired and he might give up, also if he does have a nine, you still have 6 outs.

2.) depends really on the player, his play is just weird, so depends on wether it's weird = bad hand or weird = good hand

3.) Don't like 3, cause he has position. If he has something like JT etc. I think he takes it away from you a LOT.

Marlow 12-02-2005 08:41 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
Capn', why don't you like #1?

12-02-2005 08:55 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
#1- Good
#2- Bad
#3- Meh. Just lead out on the flop.

Hattifnatt 12-02-2005 09:00 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
1 and 2 looks good. Dont like the 3rd one at all.

iceman5 12-02-2005 10:20 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
#1) He called my raise after alot of skwerming in his chair. He only had another $90 or so left so I checked the river behind him knowing he had a big pair. He had QQ. Id like to have a K in this situation just once. Never mind, they always fold when I do.

#2) He called the turn. The river was a J and I checked and he checked it back with his T7. Amazing.

#3) He had QQ and I went down in flames again. No more bluffing for me for a while. These guys just wont fold. Im going to start on making larger than normal raises with big hands. Suppossedly a check raise shows great strenth but these guys wont fold so Im going to start blasting away and showing great strength with monsters and forget about trying milk people.

EnderW27 12-02-2005 10:59 PM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
#3 I think is a bad bluff for another reason. It doesn't matter what you have and it doesn't matter what he has. As astute player might come to the conclusion that you're bluffing. Here's why: UTG was the preflop raiser and you had position on him. He checked. You then checked with 1? 2? people after you? If it's 1 it's even worse but you know there's no guarantee this guy's going to fire at the pot. He should know that too so he has to ask "why is this guy check raising instead of firing into the pot himself?" The answer to that is "he probably thinks I'm on a steal and he's trying to resteal." So he'll now raise your bluff.

Just my two shekels.

durrrr 12-03-2005 12:13 AM

Re: Which, if any, of these bluffs are good ones?
 
I bluff in all three spots regularly. If you think any of these are a "bad" bluff to ever do; then you should re-evaluate your game. Some may be used more often than others.


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