A favor to ask.
 

There is an incredible rash of players criticizing other players at the 10/20->20/40 tables. This is obviously stupid and I would hope that none of the posters/lurkers here would do this.

But if you are, please stop. If you seriously cannot take a beat from a player or you are under the delusion that you would rather be sitting with all "good" players, you are sitting at the wrong stakes. Move your ass down to 5/10 and learn some table manners.

- Jim

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are table manners taught at 5/10?

just joking- i agree with your request.

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I see it a lot but generally it is the bad players doing it. It really does suck.

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Sadly there is something about a poker table that just brings out the worst in human beings :-(

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Sadly there is something about money that just brings out the worst in human beings :-(

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fyp

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I second this and also encourage those of us who see it to tell players to shut up and to defend the fish at all cost. I will berate the hell out of someone after a fish leaves or if I see jackass at another table.

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I don't really understand all this. The mid-limit players online are not only bad they love to talk trash and love being confrontational. They never leave as a result of someone berating their play, and they never ever play better either.

I used to agree that berating players online is bad, but these days I don't really see it as being a problem. Live poker of course is a different story

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I disagree. Berating bad players online does change their play and generally tightens up the entire table. No one wants to have their pants pulled down - even online.

- Jim

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you want to keep the environment happy and lively. if no one says anything about their bad play then the players will think they are doing a great job and even if not doing a great job, they are having fun and will continue to do so.

no reason to ever make a fish second guess himself. in fact you should go out of your way to compliment his style of play. they need to feel like this is gamboooooooling [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I can't stand this. When it gets really bad I add the offending player to my buddy list and send him an invitation to a private table so that I can send him a message explaining the errors of his ways. This has been pretty effective in the few times I've resorted to it.

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I just watched our own MaxPower get berated for drawing out. Sadly, he didn't leave the table. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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i resolved today to stop responding to fish insulting my play, stop saying "WOW" after getting drawn out on and to stop defending fish who are getting ragged on. its too distracting.

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This is so true. Why would anyone want to rip on someone who is giving away his money? For sure, those people call in too many spots and will invariably draw out on occasion. They are making an incorrect play that will win you, and the other players at the table, money in the long run. This is to be encouraged. Please do not make them feel bad for making a bad play. Instead check your ego at the door, let them play how they want and reap the rewards of their poor play.

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They never leave as a result of someone berating their play, and they never ever play better either.

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I couldn't disagree more with this statement. Many times I have seen players stop playing any two suited cards, or tighten up in early position directly as a result of loudmouth table coaches. Earlier this week I had a 85 vpip guy leave my 10/20 6 max. game because some jackass was giving him heat for playing bad starting hands.

Even if there were no downside to behaving rudely toward opponents there are almost no potential benefits. The only time I would even consider giving somebody heat is if they are A) awful at poker B) out of chips and almost certain NOT to rebuy, AND C) the type of person whose ego won't let them leave the table after they've been "challenged." Even under these conditions it's not always a wise move, because you can easily get caught up in the banter and start steaming.

Please don't berate the fish.

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I don't really understand all this. The mid-limit players online are not only bad they love to talk trash and love being confrontational. They never leave as a result of someone berating their play, and they never ever play better either.

I used to agree that berating players online is bad, but these days I don't really see it as being a problem. Live poker of course is a different story

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I know i'm late to the party, but this his horrible. Bad players, at least most of them, don't really believe that 'skill' has anything to do with success at limit holdem. They don't analyze situations and possible actions, they just play their hand. When you rag on a bad player, whether it happens immediatly or 3 weeks later, it causes them, possibly for the first time, to ask themselves if there was something they could have done 'better'. This is a tragic day for all winning poker players, because now sed fish has started his journey towards education and improvement. He might never become a winning player, but he'll learn to lose less. Its inevitable. To think that berating a bad player has no negative effect on your bottom line is hopelessly ignorant.

Please don't tap the glass...


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P.S. Props to Big Endian for posting this, its been happening a lot...